How dare any man say feminism is the cause of the breakdown of the family!
What supreme arrogance is this!
I have NOW this very day, three children whom their fathers have long ago abandoned to the streets with nothing! And there are thousands like them! Thousands!
I have taken in countless women and children who have been abandoned by their spouses and their so called "fathers" and today these women and their children have prosperous lives by the power of God, not the rule of men!
How many single parent homes are there with fathers as the parent? I daresay they can all be counted ON ONE PAGE!
How many single parent homes are there where the mother is the only parent?
You would need an encyclopedia of pages to list them all!
Why? Because women are rebellious creatures? Certainly not!
It is because they were foolish enough to trust in man for their provision, their daily bread and relied soley upon men, fathers, to provide, rule and have dominion!
Men have been the one's in power for centuries, they ruin the world, they ruin the women and the children and then say "feminism" did this.
Rubbish, utter rubbish; men in power and in a continuous lust for more are the one's who have corrupted this earth and the Lord has seen and He has also spoken.
How many women have been impeached for abuse of power or for corrupt behaviour?
Should I attempt to list the men who have been exposed and ousted for such, I would need several web pages to list them all.
Yet when the system fails, it is the fault of the women, oh you mean those whom you have kept at home to be mothers and housekeepers? How have they done any corrupting, they were NOT the one's in authority or power, what a foolish statement indeed.
Men have failed, and not because they failed to keep women under subjection, but because they did seek to do this, this is why they failed and this is why they will be taken out and their positions be given to women! Because they are corrupt.
Men throw helpless women and children out on the streets with nothing and when these women arise and conquer the very one's who slaughtered them in the fist place it is called feminism.
Men are altogether corrupt when they will say they are given by God to rule over women, this is the lie from the pulpits today which God Himself is coming against and this will be wiped out, I said it before, there is a fire coming to burn up the chaff and it is coming, this I long to see and will pray it not delay.
Even women of the Old Covenant had servants who watched over their children!
I guess then men are saying that even Mary, mother of Jesus was a feminist then and that Joseph had no control over his own house; FOR;
After the Feast was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it.
Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day.
Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends.
When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him.
After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions.
I guess Mary was not a keeper at home, watching over her child, even the Messiah, I guess she too was a feminist and Joseph, well he must have been altogether corrupt, he could not control his woman or his child!
Women were allowed by God to be workers in the world and in the Kingdom of God and they had servants to help with their children while they did their work (Proverbs 31 also).
Yet today, men will try to use the Bible, and manipulation and guilt to keep women out of the workplace, under their "authority" and "rule" without rights, without power or money or a means of support, then throw the women and children out on the streets and say God said "I rule over you!". How sick is that!
God said to women (be keepers at home) because these were Jewish people and their traditions were such that women were NOT allowed to do anything but this, and He said do this so that My Word will not be profaned among men! traditions of men, NOT GOD! Foolish men, when will you ever learn, you cannot harness and control the power of God.
Were you a slave when called?
Do not be concerned about it. Even if you can gain your freedom, make use of
your present condition now more than ever.
For whoever was called in the Lord as a slave is a freed person belonging to the Lord, just as whoever was free when called is a slave of Christ. (This does NOT say COME UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF YOUR HUSBAND WHEN YOU MARRY!)
You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of human masters.
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey.
Women are servants of God Almighty, not men, God gives the commands and by His Spirit we obey HIM, not men.
These women were slaves to men when they were called; God said use your positions to win them and by this would they gain their freedom! NOT BECAUSE GOD WANTD THEM TO REMAIN THERE!.
Who is man to say God said women are to obey men! GOD said NOT to do this!
Since there are no men who will declare the Word of the Lord, I will do it for you then;
The Lord said " I am raising up My women, My warriors, My people will arise and they are the women of this generation, the women of the next generation to whom this torch is passed; these will have a double power, a double anointing and a double portion of the spoils of war; for their only prayer is, not my will but Your will be done Lord.
The Lord said He is about to invade the mosques of the Muslims and raise up some women from these who will rise up and conquer their masters, those depraved men of corrupt hearts who would seek to rule and reign by a human power and false religions, these shall be conquered by the very one's they have enslaved, they shall now be the slave to the one's they once mastered. God says, they have kept you in the caves, submitting to the rules and regulations of men of power and corrupt minds, now I will liberate you and none will stand against you for I will be your power, I will be your authority, I will raise you up and no one will trample you underfoot again!.
Women are the chosen warriors of today; women of God who are not afraid to storm the gates of hell and beat that devil as fine as dust and pour him out like mud upon the streets; these women shall take the plunder, they shall tie up the strong man and take all his goods for the Kingdom of God.
Throw a woman and her children out on the streets with nothing and the Lord Himself will care, He will raise them up and they will go forth and conquer you oh supreme one's.
Call it what you will, feminist movement, rebellious women, whatever!
This is but the opinion of man not the opinion of God, Ha, go LORD!
WE DON'T CARE WHAT THE PEOPLE SAY, WE HEAR THE VOICE OF GOD!
The women of God, we are powerful in word and deed; diligent hands shall rule, obscure men will not stand before her, she shall serve before kings! WOMEN OF GOD ARISE AND CONQUER!
The Holy One of Israel is our defender, our power, our control, our leader, we follow Him and He said "arise and conquer, you shall tread upon the great lion and the serpent, you shall tread under your feet those fierce oppressors who sought to bring you once again into the bondage of slavery to man, you are Mine, I will fight this battle for you and through you, I will raise you up and once again women will be given the honor in the battle".
Evil will slay the wicked, they will no longer rule over you as if you were an animal in need of training, I am the only leader and I will lead this nation and I will lead My women! No man will succeed against the plans of the most high God; now will I arise and decree justice and with Me, by My side, will be the chosen women of this hour and of the generation to come. So says the Lord God!
When men are in power;
"Just now the favorite ideological psychological candidate for control of human activity is love of power (John Dewey, 1939)."
"He who is firmly seated in authority soon learns to think security, and not progress, the highest lesson of statecraft (James Russell Lowell, 1870)."
"As to the people, they have no understanding, and only repeat what their rulers are pleased to tell them (Plato)."
"The way to have power is to take it ("Boss" Tweed, 1823-1878)."
"It is impossible to divorce property from power (John Randolf, 1773-1833)."
"People's ambition begins to grow as they feel the attraction of power (Shirley Williams, 1981)."
"Monarchy would not have continued so many ages in the world had it not been for the abuses it protects. It is the master of fraud which shelters all others (Thomas Paine, 1792)."
"Power may be justly compared to a great river which, while kept within its bounds is both beautiful and useful, but when it overflows its banks, is then too impetuous to be stemmed, it bears down on all before it and brings destruction and desolation wherever it goes (Andrew Hamilton, 1735)."
"Where love rules, there is no will to power; and where power predominates, there love is lacking. The one is the shadow of the other (Carl Gustav Jung, 1954)."
"The love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves (William Hazlitt, 1778-1830)."
The lust for power is not rooted in strength but in weakness (Eric Fromm, 1941)."
"Power gradually extirpates from the mind every human and gentle virtue. Pity, benevolence, friendship, are things unknown in high stations (Edmund Burke, 1756)."
"Any excuse will serve a tyrant (Aesop, 620-560 B.C.)"
"The human mind is prone to pride even when not supported by power; how much more, then, does it exalt itself when it has that support? (Pope Gregory I, 540 - 604 A.D.)"
"It is not power itself, but the legitimation of the lust for power that corrupts absolutely (R.H. Crossman, 1951)."
"For he that thinks absolute power purifies men's blood, and corrects the basis of human nature need read but the history of this, or any age, to be convinced to the contrary (John Locke, 1690)."
"Tyrants use their power in three manners. The first is, that they strive that those under their mastery be ignorant and fearful, because, when they be such, they may not rise against them, nor resist their wills;
and the second is, that their victims not be kindly and united among themselves, in such a wise that they trust not each other;
and the third way is that they strive to make them poor, and to put them under great undertakings, which they can never finish, whereby they may have so much harm that it may never come into their hearts to devise anything against their ruler (Alfonso X, King of Castile, 1226-1284)."
"Power is sweet; it is a drug, the desire for which increases with habit (Bertrand Russell, 1951)."
"Arbitrary power has seldom or never been introduced into a country at once. It must be introduced by slow degrees, and as it were step by step, lest the people should perceive its approach (Lord Chesterfield, 1737)."
"Power is gradually stealing away from the many to the few, because the few are more vigilant and consistent (Samuel Johnson, 1774)."
"Real politics is the possession and distribution of power (Benjamin Disraeli, 1804 - 1881)."
"Many addictions can be far more dangerous than addiction to drugs. The addiction to power (M. Scott Peck, 1993)."
"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it (William Pitt, 1770)"
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely (Lord Acton, 1887)."
"The enjoyment of power inevitably corrupts the judgments of reason and perverts its liberty (Immanuel Kant, ca. 1800)."
"I see that power intoxicates men (Camille Desmoulins, 1794)."
"Power buries those who wield it (Talmud)."
"Craving for power is not a vice of the body, consequently it knows none of the limitations imposed by a tired or satiated physiology upon gluttony, intemperance and lust (Aldous Huxley, 1940)."
"Constant experience shows us that every man invested with power is apt to abuse it and to carry authority as far as it will go (Baron Charles Montesquieu, 1748)."
"Those who have once been intoxicated with power, and have derived any kind of emolument from it, even though but for one year, can never willingly abandon it (Edmund Burke, 1727-1797)."
"My concern is whether America can overcome the fatal arrogance of power (J. William Fulbright, 1966)."
I will only write this one post, I will not debate or scripture whip you. I only wish to say that when I read your posts my heart breaks for you. I know what it is like to carry the pain of abuse, anger, bitterness, and disappointment. I always had to be in control, the tough girl who never cried. I used to blame all men for the sins of a few. When I confessed Jesus as my Lord and Savior, in that very moment He set me free. I no longer am a rebel, I know that there are good godly men who can lead us in a loving way. I now have that hope. Cast your cares upon Jesus my sister and let Him set you free. You are in my thoughts and prayers. God bless you, Lydia
God Himself elected CHRIST as our provider not man.
"He shall meet all your needs according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus".
AMEN Lord, thank You for always being our provider who never, ever fails us in any way.
1 Timothy 5:14 may be used in support of an argument against working mothers, and to argue that it is God's will that women not pursue careers outside of the home.
First, it should be noted that Paul is offering his counsel over against a very specific situation.
The little word "therefore" in the Greek text at the beginning of this verse indicates that in offering his apostolic counsel he is referring to the situation described in the immediately preceding verses.
Younger widows are in the habit "of being idle and going about from house to house."
Further, "not only do they become idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying things they ought not to".
The issue being discussed in this section of chapter 5 is whether widows qualify to be put on a list of those deserving support from the congregation.
In view of this specific situation, Paul therefore, advises younger widows to devote themselves to marriage, children and family life.
Second, there is no indication that St. Paul intends his specific advice here as an apostolic command to all Christians in every time and place.
If this was his intention, congregations would also be mandated to set up a list of younger widows to be supported by them, in keeping with certain ethical provisions. Moreover, once a younger widow was put on the list, she would be forbidden to remarry.
This is to say, a careful reading of the text must take seriously the context and situation in which these apostolic directives are given.
Paul was not addressing a situation as we find it today in the current economic system, nor is he forbidding women to work outside the home in careers of their choice.
Please let us recall that in those days women were not allowed an education, there were no "jobs" or careers for women and men put them in this place, not God.
God never, ever said that any man would provide for us, NEVER, He said He would provide. Malachi for one and there are many, many other scriptures which say God is the provider.
Yet man will like to be God, he will like to say "im the man by golly" Im your head! "God has appointed me as your spiritual leader" "head of the house" "provider". RUBBISH; LIES!
Yet, Christ said He is the head of the Church and that God will meet our needs according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus; not His riches in glory by man.
Yes, man wants to be God; for man says "Christ is MY head, but women I am man, I am your head!"
Now tell me please, where is it written that any born again woman of God has not Christ as her head as He is the head of the Church which is His Body and if we are in Him then we are therefore memebers of His Body with Him as head.
Where is it written that the Body of Christ has two heads? One flesh head and one Spirit head?
Yet they keep on, "im the head" this is the spirit of antichrist, to usurp the position of God.
I'm keeping Jesus.
You know what, I'm done here, this is so stupid I have no words, you may continue on in your beliefs, I will keep with mine.
Bless you sister, we love you. I don't remember seeing anything posted about women not supposed to work outside the home. I think what was being said is that no one will care for your children like you will. If anything I said gave you the impression I was saying that, I apologize.
Have you forgiven every man that has done wrong to you? Every person without exception?
There is a great deal of anger, frustration and unforgiveness in your posts. You may not see this but others including myself have. You really need to consider that we see this in you.
These things are blinding you to God's truth in His word and that is one reason why you are so badly taking verses out of context and misapplying them. It is also one reason that you do not accept God's Word in how He specifically laid out the responsibilities of the Wives and Husbands in marriage in the Christian Churches for today nor do you accept the specific roles for specific leadership positions within a local Christian New Testament Church and the restrictions God has against women occupying those positions.
You said some things that I must respond to you for.
You (HW) said and I quote:
"Who is man to say God said women are to obey men! GOD said NOT to do this!
Walter: Well in a general sense that may be true but not entirely accurate as God gave specific instructions for wives to submit to their Husbands AS they are to submit to Christ Himself.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, AS UNTO THE LORD (caps mine)
23 For the husband IS THE HEAD of the wife, EVEN AS Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 THEREFORE as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. NJV
This is NEW Testament commands for CHRISTIANS. This is not something under the Old Mosaic Law so don't even try to go there. This was a letter Paul wrote to a Gentile Christian Church.
Also this is a consistent teaching all the way back to Genesis because of what the woman did. Yes I said that correctly.
Gen 3:16 To the woman He said: "I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, AND HE SHALL RULE OVER YOU."
(HW) Since there are no men who will declare the Word of the Lord, I will do it for you then;
Walter: Now you are in dangerous territory as you are about to claim that God has given you this word. You are claiming you are speaking for God. If you are then what you say will in nowise contradict the written Word of God. If it does contradict then you are a False Teacher and are to be shunned. Let's see.
(HW) The Lord said " I am raising up My women, My warriors, My people will arise and they are the women of this generation, the women of the next generation to whom this torch is passed; these will have a double power, a double anointing and a double portion of the spoils of war; for their only prayer is, not my will but Your will be done Lord.
WALTER: This is so incredible. No where did you say that God will raise up men! You excluded them. Would God exclude men in this? Not at all. Can you show in some future prophecy in scripture where this is going to occur? Can you show anything in Revelation or Daniel or Ezekiel or Isaiah? No you cannot because no such prophecy exists about what you CLAIM God said to you.
God cannot contradict His written Word nor can He give any new Revelation that would change it. Christ has ordained and gave specific instructions in His word concerning the Leadership of His local New Testament Christian Churches and those positions are exclusively for men of God and not women. Pastors, Elders and Bishops. Period! Furthermore God also ordained that women are not allowed to USURP authority over a man or teach a man. Of course this is regarding biblical matters in the local Churches. Let me lay this out for you again and show you a verse you have grossly misinterpreted.
1Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
You took the last part of the verse that says...."as the law also speaks"....and took it to meant that this was just about being under "The Mosaic Law" and not as a teaching for Christians today. This is blatantly false. Look at the Grammar. "As the law...ALSO says". In other words Paul was stating that this teaching is ALSO in harmony with what the law said. The Greek grammar fully supports this. Your conclusion and interpretation is totally wrong.
35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
36 Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached?
Now pay close attention as you do not want to miss this since you think God is speaking to you.
37 If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD. (caps mine)
38 But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.
1Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to USURP authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. KJV
A women is not permitted to teach a man or USURP authority over a man. What you are espousing is that now God is going to have women do what He commanded that they cannot do. You make God a liar and contradict His Word.
(HW) The Lord said He is about to invade the mosques of the Muslims and raise up some women from these who will rise up and conquer their masters, those depraved men of corrupt hearts who would seek to rule and reign by a human power and false religions, these shall be conquered by the very one's they have enslaved, they shall now be the slave to the one's they once mastered. God says, they have kept you in the caves, submitting to the rules and regulations of men of power and corrupt minds, now I will liberate you and none will stand against you for I will be your power, I will be your authority, I will raise you up and no one will trample you underfoot again!.
Women are the chosen warriors of today; women of God who are not afraid to storm the gates of hell and beat that devil as fine as dust and pour him out like mud upon the streets; these women shall take the plunder, they shall tie up the strong man and take all his goods for the Kingdom of God."
WALTER: The things you are speaking are utter nonsense and a contradiction to God's Holy Word. The Devil was already beat at the Cross and Resurrection by Jesus Christ. The Devil is already defeated. There are simply no scriptures to back up what you are saying and they actually contradict you. What you are doing is not speaking for God as God is not talking to you. It is not God nor can it be as God cannot contradict His written Word.
I believe the demons know your weakness and your anger towards men because of past hurts and is using you to pervert God's Word hoping that some person ignorant of God's word would be deceived as well. Who did Satan lie to in the Garden of Eden? Eve...a woman, not Adam. Why? Possibly because she was more easy to deceive and knew Adam would have told him to take a hike.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. KJV
Adam wasn't off the hook either for his fault for listening to his wife. But that is another discussion. :-)
Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
My dear sister I am sorry for how you feel. I will pray for you. But I do have to say I agree with Walter's post, because he uses the scripture to back up what he believes.
Why are you here? You are on a personal site seeking a man of God to marry, according to your profile.
Do you with all sincerity believe that a real man of God who knows God's word and understands the Ordained Biblical roles of men and women and a Husband and a Wife, will in any way want to date you or even marry you?
Your heart may want one thing but your attitude and rebellious spirit say another.
With such obvious bitterness (if not hatred) towards men, do you think you can rightly divide God's word in any respect at all? Don't we need a pure heart to see the truth of the word? Seeing this post makes me really hurt for you...you have been hurt by men, at least one man, and this bitterness and hatred is enslaving you, my friend.
The real liberty in Christ is in being free to love, free to forgive, free to be sinned against (because it wont enslave you via bitterness and hatred which is death). When you can love men again, God will be faithful to teach you His word. Before then, all you can hope for is repentance.
