Matthew 12: 30 He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathers not with me, scatters. 31 Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the "Blasphemy Of The Spirit" shall not be forgiven. 32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
Matthew 12: 36 But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.
Blasphemy of The Spirit we've "Battered Around".
I would like to hear everyone's take on Verses '36' and '37'.
"...every idle word..."
"...shall render an account..."
"...For by your words you shall be justified..."
"...and by your words you shall be condemned..."
Again I ask:
"Are we Preaching The Gospel that Christ passed on to His Apostles?"
What are the {*4*} Unpardonable sins in Revelation??
Note: 666 is call the "Beast" 36 or 6X6 times in the book of Revelation and is a much better name than the anti-christ since all who are against Christ are anti-christs as per I John 2:18 {2X}; I John 2:22; 4:3 & 2 John 1:7. I John 2:18: "Even now *MANY* anti-christs have come."
{*1*} Worshiping the Beast {666} or his Statue during the Great Tribulation.
{*2*} Receiving the mark of the Beast on you right hand or forehead. which is the name of the Beast {Nero Caesar?} or the number of his name {666}; during the Great Tribulation.
Revelation 14:9-11: "If anyone worships the Beast {666} and his image {See Rev 13:14,15} and receives his mark {See Rev 13:16-18} on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury...He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever!" THERE ARE NO SECOND CHANCES!!
{*3*} *ADDING* words to the prophecies in Revelation.
{*4*} *TAKING WORDS AWAY* from the prophecies in Revelation.
Rev 22:16,18,19: Jesus says, �I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give *YOU* {The Greek for YOU is plural} this testimony {ALL OF REVELATION} *FOR* the CHURCHES.� .....I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone **ADDS** anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book{Including HELL in Rev 14:11 above}. And if anyone **TAKES WORDS AWAY** from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city {The New Jerusalem} which are described in this book.�
And if you don't have a share in the New Jerusalem there is only one other place you can go!!!
One of the most obvious views of *TAKING WORDS AWAY* from the Prophecies in Revelation is found in the symbolic Preterist doctrine which is believed by most Roman Catholics. The Preterist believes that every word in Revelation Chapters 6-22 and all the Words in Matthew 24,25; Mark 13 and Luke 21 took place symbolically in the 42 months before the destruction of the Jewish Temple in October AD 70. This would also include the 2nd Coming of Jesus in Matthew 24:29-31 and all the plagues in Revelation such as Revelation 9:13: "A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur." Which means that all the prophecies in Revelation are symbolic fairy tales which you can interpret in any way your little old heart desires.
The Roman Catholic Preterist view also believes that the Roman Catholic Church with the help of "Divine"{???} Popes will bring peace and heaven to this present evil earth.
��symbolic Preterist doctrine which is believed by most Roman Catholics.�
(your words prophetic)
To begin with that is an Outright Lie. If you could show me a legitimate source that will prove that statement it would be �nice�. There is no room here or anywhere decent Christians gather for Slander and Misinformation.
Also I fail to see the Relevance and I am not sure what Preterism has to do with this thread. While there were some Roman Catholics that believed this notion�there were also some Protestants that believed it, but again�how does this apply to this Thread?
To help clarify for those that are not aware of this belief� Preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond," signifying that either all or a majority of Bible prophecy was fulfilled by AD 70.
Prophetic, I would like very much to hear your thoughts on just what those verses mean to you. Are we really going to have to Account for our Words? Could it mean Words that we �Preach as Gospel�?
Your thread was concerning the unpardonable sins in God's Word and I was discussing the possibility that the Roman Catholic Preterists committed the two unpardonable sins of *Adding To* and *Taking Words Away* from God's prophecies in Revelation 22:18,19.
2 Timothy 3:16; & 2 Tim 4:3,4: � **ALL SCRIPTURE** is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.... For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Matthew 1:24,25: When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he had no union with her **UNTIL** she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
Mark 6:1,3:Jesus left and went to His hometown...and began to teach...They asked, "Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't His sisters here with us?"
Mark 3:31-34: Then Jesus' mother and BROTHERS arrived. Standing outside...A crowd was sitting around Him, and they told Him, "Your mother and BROTHERS are outside looking for you." "Who are My mother and my brothers?" Jesus asked. Then He looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother!"
Matthew 6:6,9-11: Jesus says, �When you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your **Father**, who is unseen. Then your **Father**, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you ...This then is how you should pray: �Our Father in Heaven, hallowed be your name, your Kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.....�
Is there even one instance where a believer prayed to someone other than the **Father** in the OT or the NT?? Answer; ZERO!
What church had its evil leader:devil: decree that it is OK to pray to and worship Mary, a human being, who was a sinless VIRGIN??
I Timothy 3:1-5:If anyone sets his heart on being an Overseer or Bishop, he desires a noble task. Now the Overseer or Bishop must be the husband of but one wife.....He must manage his own family well..If anyone does no know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church? I Tim 3:12 and Titus 1:6: Deacons and Elders should also be the husband of but one wife.
I Corinthians 9:5: Paul said �Don't we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other Apostles and the Lord's brothers and Cephas {PETER} What church:devil: became famous for having thousands of their unmarried priests:devil: fondle and seduce hundreds of thousands of innocent and trusting children??
Matthew 23:9: Jesus says, �Do not call ANYONE on earth 'father,' for you have ONE {Spiritual} Father, and He is in Heaven!!� What Church calls all their priests spiritual �Fathers�?? And their Satanic leader �Holy Father�??
This Church actually claims that they do not worship Mary but what are all these "Hail Mary's" all about??? Actually this Church:devil: worships and prays to Mary far more than they worship Jesus and His Father combined even though God's Word commands us over 100 times to Worship and pray to GOD ALONE!!
Hebrews 9:15,26b-28: Christ is the mediator of a NEW COVENANT so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance--now that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant...But now He has APPEARED ONCE FOR ALL at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the SACRIFICE of Himself... so Christ was SACRIFICED ONCE to take away the sins of many people, and He will *APPEAR* a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him. Hebrews 10:10: �We have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus **ONCE FOR ALL**!!�
What Church:devil: believes that Jesus has to die every day except Good Friday to take away sins and that Satanic priests have the power to change wine into the blood of Jesus and wafers into the body of Jesus which they eat.
Well what do you expect when your thread strongly implies that it is an unpardonable sin to belong to any church other than the Roman Catholic Church??
I think if more christian's took this verse literally, there would be a lot less said that would offend or provoke. It is one of the reasons, I don't like the live chat, because it is idle chatter, senseless, and meaningless, unless someone is praying. I take this verse seriously in my life, and I remember when it really hit me, I started talking less and listening more.
Matthew 12: 30 He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathers not with me, scatters. 31 Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the "Blasphemy Of The Spirit" shall not be forgiven. 32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
Matthew 12: 36 But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.
Blasphemy of The Spirit we've "Battered Around".
I would like to hear everyone's take on Verses '36' and '37'.
"...every idle word..."
"...shall render an account..."
"...For by your words you shall be justified..."
"...and by your words you shall be condemned..."
Again I ask:
"Are we Preaching The Gospel that Christ passed on to His Apostles?"
The same Gospel that Christ Gave to His Church?
Profit responds:
What are the {*4*} Unpardonable sins in Revelation??
Mr.weekend off:
Profit,i do not believe you had understood Archs' post,nor the questions he had asked.
Arch asks:
Blasphemy of The Spirit we've "Battered Around".
I would like to hear everyone's take on Verses '36' and '37'.
"...every idle word..."
"...shall render an account..."
"...For by your words you shall be justified..."
"...and by your words you shall be condemned..."
Mr weekend:
Profit you ignored Archs' questions and began a tirade of accusations and judgements.
Mr.weekend
Profit,a lot of your posts are in judgement of others and what they believe.
Yeshua came to give His life a ransom for those you judge.
Profit,I would admonish you to TRUST YESHUA to save and to judge according to the will of the Father.
You and I are to be doing this:
Mat 28:19 Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the completion of the age. Amen.
I adjure you by the Mercies of GOD,stop judging others as unbelievers.
�Me thinks the lady doth protest too much�And the Man doth not protest at all.� (William Shakesphere)
It�s interesting just who �screamed� the Loudest and how few were willing to discuss these Verses.
Are we so Weak of a Christian that we discuss only that which �tickles our ears� and �massages our Egos�.
Are the Hard Questions to be Avoided? Are we to go through �The Cafeteria of Religion� and put on Our Plate those Beliefs that we like or understand or �makes us feel Good� or Important?
Who would you rather Believe�Paul The Apostle or someone on this site? How about someone that heard The Good News from Paul himself? Or someone that heard it from that person? Would you think that they would have a better understanding than anyone of this day and age?
Read what The Early Church Fathers had to say. Yes�they are long-winded, but no more so than some on this Forum. You will be surprised what you hear from them. Some of the very subjects discussed here are Eloquently Expounded on by them. Are we to Believe that they became �Corrupted� so quickly when Christ Himself PROMISED that Nothing would Touch HIS CHURCH and that She would be there INTACT when He Returns.
I asked for discussion and I get Vitriol. I have no Hatred for any of you. I fear none of you. I Believe that God does Mighty Works through my Protestant Brothers and Sister. I Admit that my Church is not Perfect! It is run by Men and No Man is Perfect!
My Point in asking the Question I asked was to Hopefully Point Out how we Interject our own Biases and Prejudices and Beliefs into Scripture and by doing so we "change" The Gospel.
We dare say:
�I know better than what The Early Church Believed�.
After all�they were Corrupt Men and Power Hungry. Whereas I am much more Knowledgeable and �know better�.
We are Children playing Theologians.
One of prophetics �barbs� reads
Mark 3:31-34: Then Jesus' mother and BROTHERS arrived. Standing outside...A crowd was sitting around Him, and they told Him, "Your mother and BROTHERS are outside looking for you." "Who are My mother and my brothers?" Jesus asked. Then He looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother!"
There are many Translations of Holy Scripture. Prophetic chose one that reads �brothers�. The actual translation is �Brethren� or �Brother�; as in
Genesis 13:8 Abram therefore said to Lot: Let there be no quarrel, I beseech you, between me and you, and between my herdsmen and your herdsmen: for we are brethren. Or in Genesis 14 where there are a Lot of Brothers (no pun intended).
Leviticus 10: 4 And Moses called Misael and Elisaphan, the sons of Oziel, the uncle of Aaron, and said to them: Go and take away your brethren from before the sanctuary, and carry them without the camp.
There are many more if you need them. Even today there are many Christians that call each other �Brothers��
You have to ask why NO ONE believed as prophetic does back when The Church was Young. Why was there no Mass Outcry at such BLasPHEmY that Mary Remained a Virgin!...if She was Truly not?
But my Point again was not to have to Defend my Faith against Persecution�I�ve had to do this all of my Life, but rather�hopefully�Instigate some Discussion.
There are no more Prophets�they Died with The Apostles.
There are no more Prophets�they Died with The Apostles.
Mr.weekend off:
I know this is a discussion forum,yet when someone is wrong i believe Biblical admonition is needed.
As to your saying there are 'NO MORE PROHETS',then what would i do with the following Scriptures.
Rom 12:6 And having gifts, different according to the grace that was given to us; whether prophecy--`According to the proportion of faith!'
1Cor 12:10 and to another in-workings of mighty deeds; and to another prophecy; and to another discernings of spirits; and to another divers kinds of tongues; and to another interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:27 and ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1Cor 12:28 And some, indeed, did God set in the assembly, first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly teachers, afterwards powers, afterwards gifts of healings, helpings, governings, divers kinds of tongues;
1Co 12:29 are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teacrhers? are all powers?
1Cro 12:30 have all gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Cor 12:31 and desire earnestly the better gifts; and yet a far excelling way do I shew to you:
1Cor 14:1 Pursue the love, and seek earnestly the spiritual things, and rather that ye may prophecy,
1Cor 14:2 for he who is speaking in an unknown tongue--to men he doth not speak, but to God, for no one doth hearken, and in spirit he doth speak secrets;
1Cor 14:3 and he who is prophesying to men doth speak edification, and exhortation, and comfort;
1Cor 14:29 And prophets--let two or three speak, and let the others discern,
1Corb14:30 and if to another sitting anything may be revealed, let the first be silent;
1Cor 14:31 for ye are able, one by one, all to prophesy, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted,
1Cor 14:32 and the spiritual gift of prophets to prophets are subject,
Arch;before you start saying things a you have posted,
Please read the Scriptures to male sure that you have a correct understanding of what you write.
1a) a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; especially by foretelling future events
1b) Used in the NT of the utterance of OT prophets
1b1) of the prediction of events relating to Christ�s kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions pertaining to it, the spirit of prophecy, the divine mind, to which the prophetic faculty is due
1b2) of the endowment and speech of the Christian teachers called prophets
1b3) the gifts and utterances of these prophets, especially of the predictions of the works of which, set apart to teach the gospel, will accomplish for the kingdom of Christ
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from G4396 (�prophecy�)
1) in Greek writings, an interpreter of oracles or of other hidden things
2) one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by inspiration, especially concerning future events, and in particular such as relate to the cause and kingdom of God and to human salvation
2a) the OT prophets, having foretold the kingdom, deeds and death, of Jesus the Messiah.
2b) of John the Baptist, the herald of Jesus the Messiah
2c) of the illustrious prophet, the Jews expected before the advent of the Messiah
2d) the Messiah
2e) of men filled with the Spirit of God, who by God�s authority and command in words of weight pleads the cause of God and urges salvation of men
2f) of prophets that appeared in the apostolic age among Christians
2f1) they are associated with the apostles
2f2) they discerned and did what is best for the Christian cause, foretelling certain future events. (Act_11:27)
2f3) in the religious assemblies of the Christians, they were moved by the Holy Spirit to speak, having power to instruct, comfort, encourage, rebuke, convict, and stimulate, their hearers
3) a poet (because poets were believed to sing under divine inspiration)
3a) of Epimenides (Tit_1:12)
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer�s/Strong�s Number: from a compound of G4253 and G5346
