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The Old Testament Evidence that Jesus is The Messiah.
Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 03:06 PM
Continued ~
Archimedes Posted ~ Think about this:
Jesus was a Real Man -- History Proves that.
What is in the Bible is Historically Accurate.
That means that that there are Only Three Possibilities When it comes to Jesus Christ.
Either Jesus was a Raving Lunatic...a Mad Man�out of His mind. Deluded and Deceived.
Or a Conspirator�a Magician�Deceiving everyone and it was all just a Conspiracy (which is what I believe the Jews believe)...
Or Jesus was Exactly Whom He Said He was...The Living Son of God!
Those are the Only Possibilities!
Now we just have to discuss these Three possibilities.
Jude Replies ~ Well I know in my Heart of Hearts that Jesus isn�t a Raving Lunatic as the Pharesees/Saducees would have us believe�and He isn�t a Magician deceiving anyone�He was up front and personal with Everyone even the Pharesees/Saducess...Soooo�from reading the Historical Documents in the Bible Especially Isaiah, I have found Him to be Exactly Whom He SAYS He IS�.Soooo now how does a person go about using the OT & NT for that matter to Show the Evidence that Jesus is the Messiah ??? Anyone ???
The Old Testament Evidence that Jesus is The Messiah.
Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 03:22 PM
Is another, more likely possibility. That everything written about Jesus was done after the fact. And as the old scam of past-posting (betting on a race already run and decided,) showed, people will fall for it if they think they stand to gain something as with betting. The first Gospel wasn't written until ~30+ years AFTER Jesus' death (or ascension if you prefer.) Strangely long time to wait before deciding to write about the Moshiach you were following around for however long, witnessing miracles, and claiming it's the prophecized Moshiach.
I think this is why Christians like to claim the Jewish Tanakh, written some 1300 years BEFORE Jesus mentions him. It avoids the past-posting problem. For the record, it doesn't. Prophecies are about the Moshiach, if your Bible's OT actually says Jesus somewhere it's a horrible translation and probably written for children.
The Old Testament Evidence that Jesus is The Messiah.
Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 03:29 PM
So if a person offered a bet [ Gift ] with Odds of a Million to One...Absolutely Impossible Odds with Nothing to lose in Accepting the bet [ Gift ]...would you take it ???...xo
The Old Testament Evidence that Jesus is The Messiah.
Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 03:59 PM
The risk-analysis arguement for faith and God is I think...Overly cynical?
A believer in God who lives by The Word loses nothing if they're wrong.
A disbeliever risks hell or non-ressurection if they're wrong.
That's not a very good arguement and reduces belief to a simple reward proposition where what we do in its name is only because we believe we'll be rewarded. Faith should be much more than that. Something we do regardless of whether we believe in God or an afterlife, but do it simply because it's morally right and relevant.
The Old Testament Evidence that Jesus is The Messiah.
Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 04:15 PM
Yup !...It isnt gona work on Just Anyone...ha :laugh: ha :laugh: ha :laugh:...you shared ~ Faith should be much more than that. Something we do regardless of whether we believe in God or an afterlife, but do it simply because it's morally right and relevant.
*** :applause:...Key Word...RELEVENT...and Morally is Good also...Most Excellant reply...:peace:...SOooo...since you study the OT...How bout a turn around of Application for you...by instead of Proving Jesus is the Messiah...how about Proving He is Not...using the OT Scriptures that you are familiar with...While the rest of us Will Prove He is...Game Challenge on ???...Anyone ???
The Old Testament Evidence that Jesus is The Messiah.
Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 04:51 PM
Jeff said:
Is another, more likely possibility. That everything written about Jesus was done after the fact.
James replies:
Uh, the Gospels SAY this. You think they should have been writing a running documentary the entire time they were with Jesus? The idea of a documentary had not even been invented yet.
Jeff continues:
And as the old scam of past-posting (betting on a race already run and decided,) showed, people will fall for it if they think they stand to gain something as with betting. The first Gospel wasn't written until ~30+ years AFTER Jesus' death (or ascension if you prefer.) Strangely long time to wait before deciding to write about the Moshiach you were following around for however long, witnessing miracles, and claiming it's the prophecized Moshiach.
James replies:
1. Paul's Letters were immediately accepted as the Word of God.
2. There were people still alive when the Gospels were written who PERSONALLY knew Jesus, and the Disciples.
If your claim is that the apostles just wrote lies Paul even says to one of the churches about Jesus resurrection that "some of you were there and your remember".
He appeals to their being there personally.
There is ZERO blind faith in the bible.
In Christ,
James
I think this is why Christians like to claim the Jewish Tanakh, written some 1300 years BEFORE Jesus mentions him. It avoids the past-posting problem. For the record, it doesn't. Prophecies are about the Moshiach, if your Bible's OT actually says Jesus somewhere it's a horrible translation and probably written for children.
The Old Testament Evidence that Jesus is The Messiah.
Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 04:52 PM
Jeff has bravely stated:
The risk-analysis argument for faith and God is I think...Overly cynical?
A believer in God who lives by The Word loses nothing if they're wrong.
A disbeliever risks hell or non-ressurection if they're wrong.
That's not a very good argument and reduces belief to a simple reward proposition where what we do in its name is only because we believe we'll be rewarded. Faith should be much more than that. Something we do regardless of whether we believe in God or an afterlife, but do it simply because it's morally right and relevant.{????}
So if you want to live a very moral monastic boring life because its morally right you are a lot more stupid that I thought you were.
You might as well eat drink and be merry for tomorrow you die and you don't have to worry about going to hell and you don't believe in eternal life in heaven.:devil::nahnah::dancingp::ROFL::buddies::buddies::eat::yay::yay::rocknroll::rocknroll::devil::bouncy::nahnah::toomuch::buddies::dancingp::dancingp:
The Old Testament Evidence that Jesus is The Messiah.
Posted : 28 Jul, 2011 09:46 PM
Let�s look at the first assumption:
��Jesus was a Raving Lunatic...a Mad Man�out of His mind. Deluded and Deceived.�
If Jesus was Crazy�then no Miracles would have occurred. He would have been like all of the Crazy people claiming to be The Messiah. All of His Followers would have dispersed or have Died with Him (like Jones� followers that committed suicide or David Koresh and his followers).
If Jesus was Deluded and therefore not The Son of God�there is no way that anyone would be willing to DIE for Him! Think about it. A man claims to be The Son of God�he does nothing to back up his claim�he gets himself killed. Are you going to Give Up Your own Life for his Memory? No�of course not!
So Jesus could not have been a Crazy man. Was Jesus a Conspirator?
��A Conspirator�a Magician�Deceiving everyone and it was all just a Conspiracy?�
This is a far more interesting and Plausible Theory. Was Jesus part of a far reaching and vastly Complicated and Intricate Plan by some to start a New Religion? If given enough money you could pay off people to say that they saw miracles�that they were �cured� of ailments. A Skilled Magician could accomplish many of the things Jesus did. Look at what Magicians do today! Walking on water?
Jesus may have thought that He would be �Saved� before being Crucified�only to be Duped and (perhaps) Drugged so as to Die on Cue? I would say that it would have been very possible to have �Staged� everything with a large group of Conspirators.
Except for One Thing. (Well maybe two�or three�or)
A Conspiracy of this Size � of this Magnitude � would be impossible to Keep Quiet�to Hide for very long. Someone would let the Truth slip out. Somewhere Evidence would surface. Someone would brag or Boast after a few too many glasses of Wine (�I know where the Body is�I was one of the ones that took the Body�I WANT MORE MONEY!!!).
No�a conspiracy this size would eventually Expose itself. Also we have to Consider�
��Who in there Right Mind would allow themselves to be TORTURED�to Die Horrible Deaths�To Perpetuate a CONSPIRACY!!!�.
No�Conspiracy does not Fly. Christianity was Built on The Blood of The Martyrs! Men and Women and CHILDREN that were Willing to Die For Jesus Christ.
They Knew it in their Hearts�they knew it in their Minds� they knew it in their Souls! They knew that Jesus Christ was TRULLY THE SON OF GOD! It�s Incredible! Their willingness to Die for Him proves that He was what He said He was�The Son of God!
Therefore if He was The Son of God�then The Church He started (which has His Full Authority) says that Holy Scripture is Inspired by God and INERRANT!
The Old Testament Evidence that Jesus is The Messiah.
Posted : 29 Jul, 2011 08:19 AM
They Knew it in their Hearts�they knew it in their Minds� they knew it in their Souls! They knew that Jesus Christ was TRULLY THE SON OF GOD! It�s Incredible! Their willingness to Die for Him proves that He was what He said He was�The Son of God!
*** Arch ~ This is the Proverbeal " The Proof is in the Pudding "...:applause:...:yay:..I dare NOT think that the martyrs ( Apostels ) and the Followers that Bowed at His Glorious Feet would have been so Naive to Blindly Follow and Give their Lives for a man that was JUST a man...
*** Shalom my sister...Great...scratch that..."Simple Minds" THINK a like...:peace:...I have found that when a Scientist is asked to Dis-Prove our Lord Yahshua~Jesus...they are Un-Able to...and in most that I have put this Challenge to...well...they go back to the Drawing Board...one Gent I know has since become a Out~Standing follower of the Lord...Praise GOD :bow: !!!....xo
The Old Testament Evidence that Jesus is The Messiah.
Posted : 29 Jul, 2011 10:23 AM
@GodsJude: Used the OT a few days ago to prove Jesus wasn't the prophecized Moshiach, look through this forum for the "Moshiach" and "Moshiac pt 2" threads.
