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Posted : 29 Jun, 2011 10:18 PM

Brothers and sisters, why do you think the prophet Zechariah writes that God will gather nations to attack Israel at the end of time:







"For I (God) will gather ALL nations against Jerusalem.



The city (Jerusalem) shall be taken,



the houses rifled,



and the women ravished (brutally raped).



Half of the city shall go into captivity,



but the remnant of the people



shall not be cut off from the city."



(Zechariah 14:2)

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 04:13 AM

"I (God) will bless those who bless you (Israel) and will curse those who curse you"



(Gen 12:3)







The Bible warns the destiny of the World is inseparable from Israel and Jerusalem. The Bible says God would one day re-gather the children of Israel back into their land from among many nations around the world ... the Bible says they would be re-gathered in unbelief ... God warns He is not re-gathering the children of Israel into their Land because they deserve it, but because His Name and His Word are at stake (see Ezekiel 36:17-23) ... and because He loves them ... and they are His chosen people. The Bible warns God would then make Jerusalem a world trouble spot ... the Bible says all nations of the world will turn against Israel ... the Bible warns that during this time 'Gaza will be forsaken' ... the Bible warns a coming world leader (the 'Antichrist') will rise out of 10 nations which once formed the Roman Empire and will enforce a peace plan (a covenant or treaty) upon Israel ('upon the many' - for many in Israel will be against it) ... and then, after a 3� year false peace, God warns He will send the children of Israel (and all the nations of the world) through a fiery trial unlike anything in the history of the world, to separate the unfaithful unbelievers from the faithful believers (the coming 'Apocalypse') ... the Bible warns two-thirds of the people of Israel will be 'cut off and die' for their unbelief ... then, one day when the armies of the world will gather in and around nation Israel (the coming battle of Armageddon) and when all seems lost for the children of Israel, the Bible says a believing remnant will recognize their Messiah from Scripture (Messiah) and will call upon His Name (Messiah's return). The Bible then tells us 'after these things' the little nation of Israel and the children of Israel will rule over all nations on Earth in peace under her King and Messiah Jesus Christ (Yeshua Ha'Mashiach in Hebrew). The Bible says all of the covenants, promises, curses, prophecies, and blessings God has made to the children and nation of Israel will be fulfilled . . .

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 05:29 AM

Ok,



but why God HIMSELF will gather nations to attack Israel???!!!!



Will God arrange this war?

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 08:51 AM

All prophecies in God's Word must be fulfilled. After God destroys the throne of 666 in Rome as per Rev 16:10 and Rev 18:1-24 {Possibly a few weeks before the Last Day} Satan, 666 and his False Prophet will gather the armies of all the nations of the world in Armageddon {See Rev 16:10, 13-16} 55 miles North of Jerusalem; and then 666 and his 10 armies will attack Jerusalem and kill Moses and Elijah 3 1/2 days before the Last Day when the 7th angel will sound the 7th and last trumpet and it is time to judge the lost and reward God's saints.{See Rev 11:7-18}



Two thirds of the Jews will be killed and one third will be saved as per Zechariah 12:10 & Zechariah 13:8,9} There are about 15 million Jews presently which means about 10 million will be killed and 5 million will be saved. If there about 30,000 Jews saved now then an additional 4,970,000 Jews will be saved.{Read Romans 11:25-32}



There will be 2 comings of Jesus on the same Last Day. The First will be **FOR** His saints and the Second Coming will be **WITH** His saints just after the marriage Feast of the Lamb.



Revelation 19:11,13;14, 19-21:.�I saw Heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose Rider is called Faithful and True... He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His Name is the Word of God. The armies of Heaven were following Him riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean {See Rev 19:8}.... Then I saw the Beast {666} and the {10} kings { See Rev 17:12-14 below} of the earth and their {10} armies gathered together to make war against the Rider on the horse and His army. But the Beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf... The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the Rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh. {See Rev 17:12-14 and Jude 14-16}



Rev 17:12-14; The 10 horns you saw are 10 kings... They will give their power and authority to the Beast {666}. They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with Him will be His called, chosen, and faithful followers�{See also Jude1:14-16}



Then Satan {See Rev 16:13,14,16} and the rest of the armies of the world surrounded Jerusalem {After arriving at Armageddon just 55 miles North of Jerusalem} Rev 20:9,10: �But fire came down from Heaven and devoured them. And the Devil who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the Beast {666} and the False Prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.�

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 10:40 AM

When God says I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle... From what I gather from Zevhariah 14, prophecy is that God HImself is going to ALLOW these nations to attack Jerusalem to show them and let them see His mighty power, but Jersualem will be saved from the battle against those enemies who come up against her by God, becasue He is going to fight for her, and this is when a remnant of Israel willl be saved, some will be destoryed during the battle and taken as prisoners. Then all the nations will know that Israel is a chosen people of the God... in the presences of God HImself Zechariah's prophecy is speakign about Jesus Christ's millennial reign especailly when he speaks about the Feast of tabernacles celebrating the return of Israel from exile which is the celebration of Jesus' return to Israel... this is accrding to my eye sight of what I see this propphecy to be saying...

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 10:53 AM

�IS THE 1,000 YEAR FIRST RESURRECTION IN REVELATION 20:4-6 FOR THE 24 ELDERS ON THRONES AND MARTYRS ONLY??





Jesus promised to 12 Apostles who followed Him {Including Paul?} that they would be given 12 THRONES and the authority to JUDGE in Matthew 19:28 & Luke 22:30. In Revelation 4:4 Before the beginning of the Great Tribulation John saw exactly 24 thrones surrounding God's Throne in Heaven. The other 12 thrones were most likely given to 12 prominent OT Elders such as Abraham, Joseph and Isaiah. One of these 24 Elders speaks in Rev 7:13-17 and after the 7TH angel sounds the 7TH and Last Trumpet in Rev 11:15 ONLY the 24 Elders state in Rev 11:16-18: �The time has come for JUDGING the dead and for rewarding your saints.�



��It is completely obvious that the 1,000 year reign mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 is for 24 ELDERS on Thrones and MARTYRS ONLY according to God's Word in Revelation 20:4,5b,6a: "I saw Thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to JUDGE and I saw the SOULS of those who had been beheaded {Or martyred} because of their testimony for Jesus {NT Martyrs} and because of the Word of God {OT Martyrs}. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands {Tribulation Martyrs}. THEY {THE 24 ELDERS & MARTYRS} came to life and reigned with Christ for 1,000 years... This is the FIRST RESURRECTION... Blessed and holy are those who have part in the FIRST RESURRECTION.



Rev 20:5a: �The rest of the dead {Those saints who are not martyrs or the 24 Elders on Thrones} did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ENDED.� Which, of course, would be the SECOND RESURRECTION at the 2nd Coming of Jesus. There are only TWO RESURRECTIONS for all saints mentioned in Rev 20:4-6: The FIRST RESURRECTION is for Martyrs and the 24 Elders only and INCLUDES the Tribulation Martyrs. And therefore the SECOND RESURRECTION must come on the Last Day of the Great Tribulation and must include all saints {Both OT & NT} who are not martyrs or the 24 Elders on thrones.



The Heavenly rewards for the faithful and courageous *MARTYRS* is one of the most important central themes in the book of Revelation. For they will reign with Jesus in Heaven during the 1,000 years before His 2nd Coming; and according to Revelation 7:14-17: They are before the Throne of God and God will spread His tent over them. They will receive White Robes washed in the blood of the Lamb. Never again will they hunger or thirst and God Himself will wipe every tear from their eyes. Jesus will be their Shepherd and will lead them to springs of Living Water.



FOR EXAMPLE: Let us suppose that the SECOND RESURRECTION takes place on April 5th, 2015; then the continuous 1,000 year FIRST RESURRECTION for MARTYRS AND 24 ELDERS ONLY would take place from April 5th, AD 1015 to April 5th, 2015. The 24 Elders and all of the OT & NT saints martyred before April 5th, 1015 were awakened to reign with Jesus in Heaven and every Martyr martyred after April 5th, 1015 were and will be immediately awakened to reign with Jesus in the continuous 1,000 year FIRST RESURRECTION to be completed on April 5th, 2015 at the SECOND RESURRECTION when "The rest of the dead come to life when the thousand years are ENDED." {Rev 20:5a} Rev 20:4b �I saw the *SOULS of those who had been martyred because of their testimony for Jesus... they came to life and reigned with Christ for 1,000 years. The Martyrs SOULS will only get their New Heavenly bodies when the 1,000 years are ENDED at the 2nd Coming of Jesus.



This seems to contradict John 6:40: Jesus says, �EVERYONE who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.� However, the LAST DAY RESURRECTION could last 1,000 years for in 2 Pet 3:8 we read: �With the Lord a DAY is like 1,000 years, and 1,000 years are like a DAY!!

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 11:13 AM

I Cor 15:20-24: �But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the FIRSTFRUITS of those who have fallen asleep...For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ the FIRSTFRUITS; then when He comes, **THOSE WHO BELONG TO HIM**:rolleyes:. {*THEN*} the {*END*} will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority and power."



2 Peter 7,10,13: �The present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the Day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men... But the DAY OF THE LORD {NOT 1,000 YEARS LATER!!}{See I Cor 1:7,8} will come like a thief.{To unbelievers-I Thess 5:4,5} The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be burned up... But in keeping with His promise we are looking forward to a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, the Home of righteousness.�



Rev 21 1:1-3: Then I saw a NEW HEAVEN and a NEW EARTH, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. {THEN} I saw the NEW JERUSALEM, coming down out of heaven from God...,And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, �Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them....He will wipe every tear from their eyes, There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making **EVERYTHING NEW**!!" :applause::peace::angel:



You will note that the New Jerusalem will come only *AFTER the present heaven and earth have passed away on the DAY OF THE LORD! Read Hebrews 11:10, 14-16 & John 14:1-3. The pre-tribbers wrongly believe that THE DAY OF THE LORD is the entire Great Tribulation period. However, Acts 2:20 states �The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood {See Matt 24:29} **BEFORE** the coming of the great and glorious DAY OF THE LORD.� {See 2 Peter 3:10 above!!}



WERE THE OT SAINTS ALSO WAITING FOR THE ETERNAL HEAVENLY NEW JERUSALEM??





Romans 10:12: �For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile�the same Lord is Lord of all.� Galatians 3:28,29: �There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male or female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise!!� Read Ephesians 2:11-22!!



Hebrews 11:9,10,13-16: By faith he {Abraham} made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the City with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. {The Eternal New Jerusalem not an earthly Jerusalem built by man}



All these people were all living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised, they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had the opportunity to return. Instead, they were longing for a better country�a **HEAVENLY ONE**. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a City for them {The eternal Heavenly New Jerusalem!}



Hebrews 11:39-40: �These {OT Saints} were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that only together with us {NT saints} would they {OT saints} be made perfect!�{Receive New heavenly bodies and the Eternal, Heavenly New Jerusalem}



Galatians 3:29: If you belong to Christ:rolleyes:, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.



Galatians 4:22-26: For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise. These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is **ABOVE** is free, and she is our mother!!�:applause::peace::angel:

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 11:23 AM

Bahira, I went in search for you, hope this helps.Toward the end of this piece you will find your answer taken fron Zechariah chapter 12...

The War Against Jerusalem

It is my purpose to show you that Joel, Zechariah, and John (in the book of Revelation) are referring to the same battle. The enemy soldiers, who are from all nations, will be gathered together in a place called Armageddon (Rev. 16: 16) for one purpose, to fight and destroy the Jews (Israelites). Whether this battle (war) starts at Armageddon or at Jerusalem, there is one thing for sure, those enemy soldiers will go up to Jerusalem and fight the Jews/Israelites in that city. And there, at Jerusalem, Jesus will destroy those enemy soldiers on the last day of this battle as He returns to earth. I call this battle The War Against Jerusalem. Others call it Final Dawn Over Jerusalem.

Let's take a look at what Zechariah has to say about this battle.

"For I (God) will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled (ransacked and robbed), and the woman ravished (raped); and half of the city shall go forth into captivity (exile), and the residue (the remaining portion) of the people shall not be cut off from the city." (Zech. 14: 1)

Some of the Jews/Hebrews will be held captive during this battle.

"Behold, I (God) will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem (the inhabitants of Jerusalem)."

"And in that day will I (God) make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it (Jerusalem) shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it (Jerusalem)." (Zech. 12: 2 - 3)

"In (on) that day (when the Lord Jesus comes back to earth) shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem..."

"And it shall come to pass in that day, that I (God) will seek to destroy all nations that come against Jerusalem." (Zech. 12: 8 - 9)

According to Joel, in chapter 3, verse 16, Jesus will speak (utters His voice) and every enemy soldier, who was fighting the Jews/Israelites, and is at this point fighting against the Lord and His army, will drop dead (Rev. 19: 21). (See also Rev. 19: 19.).

By the way, the Lord is not pouring out His judgment upon Jerusalem or His people, the Jews/Israelites, in Joel 3 or Zechariah 14. Nor is God's wrath unleashed in Revelation chapter 19 on His people, the Jews/Israelites, and so forth. He, instead, punishes the multitudes of enemy soldiers who are from all nations of the world for coming against Israel, Jerusalem, and His people, the Jews/Hebrews (Israelites).

It is true that God gathers all nations against Jerusalem (Joel 3: 2, Zech. 14: 2), and allows half of the people of the city, the city of Jerusalem, to be taken captive by those enemy soldiers. However, the reason that God gathers those enemy soldiers from all nations is to destroy them. (Read Joel 3: 2, 9, 14, 16, Zech. 14: 1 - 2, 3, 12, Rev. 19: 21.). Remember, it is the multitudes of enemy soldiers who destroy a portion of the city of Jerusalem, and fight against the Jews/Israelites and kill them. Just because God allows those enemy soldiers to do those things does not mean that He is pouring His wrath or judgment upon His people.

Zechariah 14: 3 says,

"Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle."

"And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth." (Zech. 14: 12)

This battle will start sometime during the 45 days that Daniel 12: 12 refers to. It will end on the 45th day of Daniel's 45 days. Read "The Revelation/Second Coming of Christ" for The War Against Jerusalem, the Day of the Lord, and the Second Coming together.

Let me stop and tell you the sequence. The 7 vial judgments will take place during the 30 days told by Daniel. The War Against Jerusalem will take place sometime during the last 45 days (Daniel 12: 12). The Jews (at least some of them) will return to Israel and Jerusalem at the beginning/start of those 45 days, if not before this time. (They may return to Israel and Jerusalem during the 30 days immediately after the 70th week of Daniel.). But not only that, those enemy soldiers who are from all nations will also move toward Armageddon and Jerusalem at the beginning of those 45 days (Dan. 12: 12). A great portion of the Jews/Hebrews will return to Israel and Jerusalem (See Zech. 12: 7 - 14, 13: 1 - 9, 14: 13 - 14.) because the Bible teaches that they are there in Israel and Jerusalem when this battle, The War Against Jerusalem, begins. They will fight in that battle, remember. (Read also Rev. 16: 14, 16, 19: 11, Zech. 14: 4 - 5, 9, Rev. 19: 15, Joel 3: 13, Rev. 14: 17 - 20, 19: 17 - 21, Zech. 12: 2 - 4, 8 - 9, 10, Rev. 1: 7, Zech. 14: 1 - 3, 12, 16.). Let's go to the book of Joel, chapter 3, to see what he has to say about this battle.

"I (God is speaking) will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead (enter into judgment, NASB) with (against) them (those enemy soldiers who are from all nations) there (in Jerusalem, in the valley of Jehoshaphat) for My people and for My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted My land." (Joel 3: 2)

"Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare [for] war,...let all the men of war draw near; let them come up (to the valley of Jehoshaphat):" (Joel 3: 9) (See Joel 3: 12.).

"Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears:..." (Joel 3: 10)

"Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen (gentiles), and gather yourselves together round about..."

"Let the heathen (gentiles) be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaohat: for there will I (that's God, Jesus) sit to judge (See Matt. 25: 31 - 46.) all the heathen (gentiles) round about." (Joel 3: 11 - 12)

God will gather together all nations of the world unto Jerusalem in this battle. Then Jesus will destroy the enemy soldiers in the valley of Jehoshaphat, the valley of decision (Joel 3: 12, 14).

I hope this helps. from www.sequenceofprophecy.com

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 11:38 AM

Yes, Ella I think the same way like you said.



But there is a difference between:



I will ALLOW these nations to attack Jerusalem and I will gather them together!!!!



Here He shows that He is involved in this battle. He knows the outcome of this battle and He is a mail player there. He is the winner of this war and His Son will defeat the enemy.



Is everything bad from Him? All killings? No.

Does He allow to kill and rape children? No.

We play our roles in this theater of our lives. He will judge us.

And He is going to judge those who will attack Israel and Jews.

To reveal His Son to people and judge the nations, He is going to protect Jews and participate in this war.

Look what He said:



�Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal.

I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws,

and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen,

all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields,

all of them handling swords.

Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet;

Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops�many people are with you.

�Prepare yourself and be ready,

you and all your companies that are gathered about you;

and be a guard for them.

After many days you will be visited.



God will allow nations to attack Israel to reveal His Son and save people. Look how God will feel:



� I have held My peace a long time,

I have been still and restrained Myself.

Now I will cry like a woman in labor,

I will pant and gasp at once.

I will lay waste the mountains and hills,

And dry up all their vegetation;

I will make the rivers coastlands,

And I will dry up the pools. Isaiah 42:14-15





Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying,

�Son of man, set your face against Gog,

of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him, and say, �Thus says the Lord GOD:

�Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal.

I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws,

and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen,

all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields,

all of them handling swords.

Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet;

Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops�many people are with you.

�Prepare yourself and be ready,

you and all your companies that are gathered about you;

and be a guard for them.

After many days you will be visited.

In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel,

which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations,

and now all of them dwell safely.

You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the land like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you.�

�Thus says the Lord GOD:

�On that day it shall come to pass that thoughts will arise in your mind,

and you will make an evil plan:

You will say,

�I will go up against a land of unwalled villages;

I will go to a peaceful people, who dwell safely,

all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates��

to take plunder and to take boooty, to stretch out your hand against the waste places that are again inhabited, and against a people gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and goods, who dwell in the midst of the land.

Sheba, Dedan, the merchants of Tarshish, and all their young lions will say to you,

�Have you come to take plunder? Have you gathered your army to take boooty, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to take great plunder?���

�Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog,

�Thus says the Lord GOD:

�On that day when My people Israel dwell safely, will you not know it?

Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you,

all of them riding on horses, a great company and a mighty army.

You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land.

It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes.�

Thus says the Lord GOD:

�Are you he of whom I have spoken in former days by My servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied for years in those days that I would bring you against them?

Judgment on Gog



�And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,�

says the Lord GOD,

�that My fury will show in My face.

For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken:

�Surely in that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel,

so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down,

the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.�

I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,�

says the Lord GOD.

�Every man�s sword will be against his brother.

And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed;

I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him,

flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself,

and I will be known in the eyes of many nations.

Then they shall know that I am the LORD.��

Ezekiel 38



"Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse.

And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True,

and in righteousness He (Jesus Christ) judges and makes war.

His eyes were like a flame of fire,

and on His head were many crowns.

He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.

He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood,

and His Name is called The Word of God. . .

Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword,

that with it He should strike the nations.

And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron.

He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written ...

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS."

(Revelation 19:11-16)

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 11:50 AM

Bahira,

There is nothing more to be said when God has spoken that this is what HE is going to do or when He says HE is going to do something... this is moving toward the final days/ years/end times of the coming of the Lord, so he must fulfill HIs word, so HE WILL GATHER all the naitons, no one can explain what God has chosen to do, or why. But in order to fulfill His word, He will do the gathering, or bringing together, or ALLOW, as in the sense that He gathers, how else will all the naitons of the world come together in one place outside of God bringing or allowing them to come together. If they come together this means God has brought them together...because He's soveregin and does things according to His perfect will to fulfill His divine plans and purposes, becasue HE IS GOD we must accept His plans and what He does...

Listen to what is said here: By the way, the Lord is not pouring out His judgment upon Jerusalem or His people, the Jews/Israelites, in Joel 3 or Zechariah 14. Nor is God's wrath unleashed in Revelation chapter 19 on His people, the Jews/Israelites, and so forth. He, instead, punishes the multitudes of enemy soldiers who are from all nations of the world for coming against Israel, Jerusalem, and His people, the Jews/Hebrews (Israelites).

It is true that God gathers all nations against Jerusalem (Joel 3: 2, Zech. 14: 2), and allows half of the people of the city, the city of Jerusalem, to be taken captive by those enemy soldiers. However, the reason that God gathers those enemy soldiers from all nations is to destroy them. (Read Joel 3: 2, 9, 14, 16, Zech. 14: 1 - 2, 3, 12, Rev. 19: 21.).

Remember, it is the multitudes of enemy soldiers who destroy a portion of the city of Jerusalem, and fight against the Jews/Israelites and kill them. Just because God allows those enemy soldiers to do those things does not mean that He is pouring His wrath or judgment upon His people.

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Posted : 30 Jun, 2011 12:05 PM

Yes, Ella. Thank you.



Just because God allows those enemy soldiers to do those things does not mean that He is pouring His wrath or judgment upon His people.



Just because God allows those enemy soldiers to do those things does not mean that God is doing these things.

He is not starting this war.

He is not starting the war of Hamas and Muslims in Palestine against Israel. He gave us lives and we will give Him account of how we have used them.



He gave us lives/allows us to live and He is not guilty of our crimes we perform in our lives! But His judgement will devour us the same way like these nations if we will not conform our lives to His high standards of righteousness and FAITH in his Son Jesus.





He is the main player who will defend people and show the nations who will attack Israel that He was and is God of Israel!

He is faithful to His people. He is the Savior of His people.

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