Author	Thread: The Christ of Arminianism..........
Admin	The Christ of Arminianism.......... Posted : 7 Jun, 2011 06:33 PM The Christ of Arminianism Rev. Steven Houck The Bible warns us that in the last days in which we live there will be many false Christs-those who claim to be Christ but who are imposters. Jesus said, "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ; and shall deceive many." (Matt. 24:4-5). We who profess to be Christians must take heed. We must be very careful that we are not deceived. Our calling is to trust, love, and follow the true Christ and Him only. We may have nothing to do with the false Christs who are so numerous in our day. We know about the Christ of the cults and other religions. He is a good man, a prophet, the first creation of God, a great spirit, a divine idea, or even a god himself. But he is not true and eternal God. He receives his existence from another who is greater than he. He is not the Christ of the Bible. We are not deceived by this Christ. He is a false Christ. We know about the Christ of Roman Catholicism. They profess that He is true God. He suffered and died for the forgiveness of sin. He arose again, ascended into heaven, and is coming again. But he is not a complete Savior. The Christ of the Roman Catholics can not save sinners without their own good works and the intercession of priests. He is not the Christ of the Bible. We are not deceived by this Christ. He is a false Christ. There is, however, another false Christ who is much more dangerous than the Christ of the cults and the Christ of Roman Catholicism. He has deceived people for many years and he continues to deceive millions. This Christ is so dangerous that, if it were not impossible, he would deceive the very elect (Matt. 24:24). He is the Christ of Arminianism. This false Christ is extremely dangerous because in many ways he appears to be the True Christ. They say that he is true God, equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. They say that he died on the cross to save sinners. They even say that he saves by his grace alone, without the work of man. This Christ will have nothing to do with the Christ of the cults and the Christ of Roman Catholicism. But watch out! Be warned! The Christ of Arminianism is not the Christ of the Bible. Do not be fooled! 1. The Christ of Arminianism - loves every individual person in the world and sincerely desires their salvation. The Christ of the Bible - earnestly loves and desires the salvation of only those whom God has unconditionally chosen to salvation. (Ps. 5:5, Ps. 7:11, Ps. 11:5, Matt. 11:27, John 17:9-10, Acts 2:47, Acts 13:48, Rom. 9:10-13, Rom. 9:21-24, Eph. 1:3-4) 2. The Christ of Arminianism - offers salvation to every sinner and does all in his power to bring them to salvation. His offer and work are often frustrated, for many refuse to come. The Christ of the Bible - effectually calls to Himself only the elect and sovereignly brings them to salvation. Not one of them will be lost. (Isa. 55:11, John 5:21, John 6:37-40, John 10:25-30, John 17:2, Phil. 2:13) 3. The Christ of Arminianism - can not regenerate and save a sinner who does not first choose Christ with his own "free will." All men have a "free will" by which they can either accept or reject Christ. That "free will" may not be violated by Christ. The Christ of the Bible - sovereignly regenerates the elect sinner apart from his choice, for without regeneration the spiritually dead sinner can not choose Christ. Faith is not man's contribution to salvation but the gift of Christ which He sovereignly imparts in regeneration. (John 3:3, John 6:44 & 65, John 15:16, Acts 11:18, Rom. 9:16, Eph. 2:1,Eph. 2:8-10, Phil. 1:29, Hebr. 12:2) 4. The Christ of Arminianism - died on the cross for every individual person and thereby made it possible for every person to be saved. His death, apart from the choice of man, was not able to actually save anyone for many for whom he died are lost. The Christ of the Bible - died for only God's elect people and thereby actually obtained salvation for all those for whom He died. His death was a substitutionary satisfaction which actually took away the guilt of His chosen people. (Luke 19:10, John 10:14-15 & 26, Acts 20:28, Rom. 5:10, Eph. 5:25, Hebr. 9:12, I Peter 3:18) 5. The Christ of Arminianism - loses many whom he has "saved" because they do not continue in faith. Even if he does give them "eternal security," as some say, that security is not based upon his will or work but the choice which the sinner made when he accepted Christ. The Christ of the Bible - preserves His chosen people so that they can not lose their salvation but persevere in the faith to the very end. He preserves them by the sovereign electing will of God, the power of His death, and the mighty working of His Spirit. (John 5:24, John 10:26-29, Rom. 8:29-30, Rom. 8:35-39, I Peter 1:2-5, Jude 24-25) As you can see, although the Christ of Arminianism and the Christ of the Bible may at first seem to be the same, they are very different. One is a false Christ. The other is the true Christ. One is weak and helpless. He bows before the sovereign "free will" of man. The other is the reigning Lord Who wills what He pleases and sovereignly accomplishes all that He wills. If you believe and serve the Christ of Arminianism, you must recognize the fact that you do not serve the Christ of the Bible. You have been deceived! Study the Scriptures and learn of the True Christ. Pray for grace to repent and trust Christ as your sovereign Lord and God. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Christ of Arminianism.......... Posted : 7 Jun, 2011 08:11 PM Ya know James, I am truly disappointed that you would post an article such as this. As much as I disagree with you and your beliefs, not once have I ever entertained the thought that you served a false Christ or any Christ that was not of the Bible. And while none of us who disagree with you consider ourselves Arminian, with this article you have accused us nonetheless of not knowing and serving Christ. I guess the next thing will be that of questioning our salvation because we don't get in the Reformed line. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Christ of Arminianism.......... Posted : 7 Jun, 2011 08:31 PM 71 said: Ya know James, I am truly disappointed that you would post an article such as this. As much as I disagree with you and your beliefs, not once have I ever entertained the thought that you served a false Christ or any Christ that was not of the Bible. And while none of us who disagree with you consider ourselves Arminian, with this article you have accused us nonetheless of not knowing and serving Christ. I guess the next thing will be that of questioning our salvation because we don't get in the Reformed line. James replies: So, "the dangers of Reformed theology" is okay, but "the Christ of Arminianism" is not? I have believed before I ever came on this group that Arminians don't understand God as He has revealed himself in His Word. I have even said in the past on this group that Arminians have turned God into Santa Claus. So, this is nothing new for me to say here. As for Questioning someones salvation because of Arminianism, I won't ever do that. I think if you believe Jesus died for everyone, and that you believe fallen man has the ability to repent and trust in Jesus, that you are wrong. I also believe that if you deny unconditional election, you are refusing to believe something in the Bible because you don't like it. But, I am not going to question someones salvation because of it. But that being said, I won't cut anyone slack for it either. Also, I think the author goes a bit too far when he says that Arminians don't serve Christ. So, I agree with you on that point. I tried to find a better article that just dealt with the dangers of Arminianism, because of your post. But, all the good articles were too long, and I know everyone would complain, or not read it. So, this was the shortest one I could find. Maybe I should write a post, on the dangers of Arminianism. hmmmm.... In Christ, James I would just deal with the arguments made in the article. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Christ of Arminianism.......... Posted : 7 Jun, 2011 08:44 PM James wrote - "So, "the dangers of Reformed theology" is okay, but "the Christ of Arminianism" is not?" James, No where in my post did I question the Christ you serve. Just your Theology and the danger I see in it. Nor did I accuse you of being deceived and in need of repentance because of your belief. James wrote - "I tried to find a better article that just dealt with the dangers of Arminianism, because of your post." Is that like an eye for an eye? James wrote - "Maybe I should write a post, on the dangers of Arminianism. hmmmm...." It wouldn't be anything new. :laugh: Post Reply
View Profile History	The Christ of Arminianism.......... Posted : 7 Jun, 2011 08:57 PM Saved when as a christian you believe a calvinist can be in Christ and everything they believe is a lie, and yes they do believe you are not saved if you are not a calvinist, they have said in the past many times in the past. If we know the lord we are to agree with the truth, man can be born again under the lie of reformed theology, it is very simple. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Christ of Arminianism.......... Posted : 7 Jun, 2011 10:03 PM Proverbs 10:19 ~ "When words are many, sin is not absent ...." This same principle applies to those who post Scripture reference after Scripture reference, like somehow the abundance of Scripture reference overwhelms the reader and they just believe whatever statement you posted prior to them. I have looked up your bogus references before, I know all to well first hand the games you play: You a couple minutes to copy and paste a article with a abundance of unresearched Scripture references. Then it takes me 3 hours to sift through all the B.S. looking up all the references only to find they are out of context or are not even applicable. James, the Law only requires two witnesses; make a statement then back it up with two or three verses, preferably written out...(I know you can copy and paste). You do not post discussion questions or statements like saved does, no you post deceptive propaganda. Quite simply: Your style and tactics give away the authenticity of your posts. Can I get a 'Amen'? Post Reply
View Profile History	The Christ of Arminianism.......... Posted : 7 Jun, 2011 10:39 PM I gotta agree with Two, James. While I rarely read any of the long articles you paste here, I do look up each Scripture and many times, in context, it has nothing to do with what you're using it as. We all can lift a verse out of the Bible and by itself make it say what we want, and force it to support our belief. But when read with the surrounding verses and chapters, we can get a different picture than the one we're trying to present. Personally, I think it quite unfair to continually paste articles written by other authors to use as debate or discussion. Such as this thread. Does the author speak for you? Should I say I am offended because you believe that we who don't agree with your Theology are serving a God other than the God of the Bible, because that is what the writer is stating? Would that be an accurate and fair statement? Things can get pretty messy when you let others speak for you through their words or use others words to make a statement. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Christ of Arminianism.......... Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 05:58 AM James is simply posting what he believes, very simple. Now say one can walk in the light when they are in darkness, Gee. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Christ of Arminianism.......... Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 06:56 AM PhilipJohn said: "Saved when as a christian you believe a calvinist can be in Christ and everything they believe is a lie, and yes they do believe you are not saved if you are not a calvinist" James replies: That is a LIE phillipJohn! Prove I said this on this group, or retract your statement. In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	The Christ of Arminianism.......... Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 06:58 AM I am just wondering if amid all the complaints and baseless accusations if ANYONE will DEAL with the arguments put forth in the first post in this thread????? In Christ, James Post Reply
View Profile History	The Christ of Arminianism.......... Posted : 8 Jun, 2011 07:36 AM James, I'm not going to deal with the arguments of an article written by a person who is invisible to this forum and one who believes those who don't agree with Calvinism are deceived and serving another Christ than that of the Bible. Contrary to PJ's accusation that you don't believe we are saved, I accept that you don't question our salvation based on our differences, but I can see where he might come up with that conclusion based on the article. That's why pasting articles written by others can be dangerous to your character. We are left to think that they represent your beliefs. Post Reply

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