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Posted : 26 May, 2011 08:34 AM

I will put together a few Scripture which have been used wrongly,to try to prove that H-W can call into existence things that they desire.





Pro 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.



Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.



According to the H-W proclaimers,Yeshau called into existence the things we see from nothing.



As He had spoken POWER went out from His mouth,power to create.

We also can create,for there is power in what we say.

According to Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.





We can create wealth by speaking it into existence.



Kenneth Copeland in one of His earlier books had written;

'When GOD speaks things come into being,there is power released'.







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ARE CHRISTIANS �LITTLE GODS�?



Written by: deb on Wed, Jan 13 2010.



Have you ever heard Word of Faith proselytizers teaching a heretical theology in which they refer to themselves as �little gods�?





Here�s an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on �Word of Faith� that explains this �little gods� heresy.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith



�Many Word of Faith teachers have sought to emphasize the full meaning of the believer�s status as a child of God (through Christ) by using phrases such as �little gods� to describe them, a practice that has garnered some criticism from some other segments of the Christian community .



Kenneth Hagin wrote that God �made us in the same class of being that he is himself,� and that the believer is �called Christ� because �that�s who we are, we�re Christ!�



According to Hagin, by being �born again�, the believer becomes �as much an incarnation as Jesus of Nazareth�.



Kenneth Copeland says Adam was �not a little like God � not almost like God ��, and has told believers that �You don�t have a God in you. You are one.�

Based primarily on the Psalms 82:6, which says �I have said, Ye are gods and all of you, children of the Most High�; this was also corroborated by Jesus making reference to this scripture in John 10:34.

A common theme in Word of Faith preaching is that God created man as �an exact duplication of God�s kind.� (Hebrews 1:3, John 14:12, etc) It should be noted that in all of this, there is no argument of man�s ability to exist and operate independently of God but rather, the emphasis in on what the believer can become in God.



Suffer the Children, a documentary highlighting some of the teachings of the Word of Faith movement, has a video clip of Creflo Dollar teaching the �little gods� doctrine to his congregation based on the notion that �everything reproduces after its own kind�.



Dollar: �If horses get together, they produce what?�

Congregation: �Horses!�

Dollar: �If dogs get together, they produce what?�

Congregation: �Dogs!�

Dollar: �If cats get together, they produce what?�

Congregation: �Cats!�

Dollar: �So if the Godhead says �Let us make man in our image�, and everything produces after its own kind, then they produce what?�

Congregation: �Gods!�

Dollar: �Gods. Little �g� gods. You�re not human. Only human part of you is this flesh you�re wearing.�





Now listen to Joyce Meyer explaining why she believes in this false theology.



Joyce Meyer Teaches on �Little Gods�



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y4eVu2oxP8&NR=1







For further evidence regarding the teaching of �little gods�, here is an excerpt from an excellent web site that documents the promotion of this heresy by Kenneth and Gloria Copeland and their mentor Kenneth Hagin.



http://www.watchman.org/reltop/unbiblcl.htm





The life and death the tongue contains,is that we are able to destroy a person with our words and conversations about them to others.



Instead this is how we should be using our tongues.



Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.



Kenneth Copeland has been discipling Creflo Dollar in the art of speaking gibberish.



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Posted : 26 May, 2011 10:16 AM

You are right about all of this.



Hagin and Copeland are heretics.



It is NOT faith in Jesus, it is faith in faith!





God can and does bless Christians with all kinds of blessings, beyond the greatest blessing of salvation.



God blesses Christians with health and wealth.



Look the Average American today, IS wealthy according to Biblical standards!



But, the prosperity preachers are just about living in total luxury at all points, and pretending you can force God to give you every luxury if you just follow some formula the made up!!!



How far is this from the Sovereign God of the universe!!!



Robert Schuller, Hagin, Copeland,Osteen, are ALL heretics, and they have nothing to do with the historic Christian faith.





In Christ,





James

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Posted : 26 May, 2011 10:25 AM

For once I agree with James. :laugh:



The salesmen define "prosperity" all the time to fit their lifestyles. Try Googleing any of their houses and rejoice in the fact that they are fleecing the sheeples out of unbiblical tithe and love offerings to live that way. It's so book of Acts, not.



Acts 4:32~ All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had.

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Posted : 26 May, 2011 10:29 AM

BTW,



I left my mega-church a few years ago because the new pastor preached that "ye are little gods" message just like a parrot from the hyper-faith crowd and then he said "repeat after me, I am god!" I had a friend visiting and she was shocked and did not want to repeat it, I told her not to because the preacher was teaching false teaching and I left the church. Many churches are drinking the "post-modern" kool-aid that Eve bought in the garden, Beware!

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Posted : 26 May, 2011 10:49 AM

wow, if a preacher said that at the churches I attend I would suspect they would kick him out.. or worse!

This is ridiculous!

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Posted : 26 May, 2011 12:07 PM

I asked one of the Elders, who was a friend of mine, about it and he just said "ya, I don't know what that was all about, but he is a good man." :toomuch:



It's spreading because the hyper-faith "faith in your faith" salesmen and like the blind leading the blind, they all fall in the ditch.



A lot of the problem is you are taught not to ask questions or question their authority because of the "touch not mine anointed" scripture they cleverly hide behind. It's cultish and evil. I know what I'm talking about on this one because I was thick in it, for 11 years.



My spirit was grieved a lot and I kept praying for the Lord to reveal any deceptions and not let me be deceived and He led me to study the word heavily on everything I was hearing. I would go to leadership all the time and challenge what they were teaching and they reprimanded me and told me I was "not loyal." I was disciplined for leaving my third time and coming back. I could not sing on the praise team as a soloist, put in the choir and had to meet with the second-in-command pastor as well as an elder and his wife for "reprogramming." True story folks. CULTS!

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Posted : 26 May, 2011 12:12 PM

Fellow sisters and brothers, I say this with mercy and love,



Study your bible AFTER you pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit into ALL truth. Seek him with your WHOLE heart and you will find Him.



Do not follow ANY man so close that you think he cannot err or stray from the truth. Question all authority, see if what they preach is biblical and pray for discernment daily.



"You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."

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Posted : 26 May, 2011 12:43 PM

Thank You, joeysings.

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Posted : 26 May, 2011 12:44 PM

I know who the little gods are and they are not us, although we may have some of their blood.

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Posted : 26 May, 2011 03:19 PM

hot dog!!!!!!!!!

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Posted : 26 May, 2011 03:50 PM

yes I know, people that have been successful in the ministry tend to get over zealous and downright heretical, I've seen it too.



I just dont like when you guys post names up and slander people from hearsay. it's immature as christians and not Christlike. POIC has been on these forums for awhile under different names and is famous for slandering people, he gets others to join on the bandwagon.



whether the things are true or not, I wont participate.

so go ahead, slander away...I'm sure God doesnt mind.



I keep going over in my head why christians drag others through the mud and are downright mean and bully others into thinking if they dont believe the same way they do, that they are obviously in a cult or stupid. You guys keep driving the nail and driving the nail.

Is it your "gift" that makes you so agressive? If it is, what is the name of the gift? I must have the "mercy" gift because I feel bad when you guys bad mouth them. Do you feel in your heart that they are less of a son/daughter of God than you are?

You can attack me all you want, but I pray that you all prosper in all things and I love every one of you.

I know you guys hate it when I do this, I havent had to since George left but....he's back.

p.s. Im not gonna sword fight with anyone.

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