Author	Thread: more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father
Admin	more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father Posted : 16 May, 2011 06:20 PM Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is: First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire... Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be converted... Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our country... Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or tolerate it... -Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies) Here's a second quote: My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen. -Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies) What do you think? Was Luther as bad as these quotes sound? Was it merely the air he breathed or did have a certain disgust for the Jewish people? Post Reply
View Profile History	more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father Posted : 16 May, 2011 06:39 PM I have a friend who has a certain disgust for black people, however in the context of his life (stationed in Africa during WWII) it is understandable. Perhaps if you put these quotes in their proper historical context they would be a bit more understandable. It does bother me that you would post such things without putting them in their proper historical context because it tempts me to judge your heart. Post Reply
View Profile History	more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father Posted : 16 May, 2011 06:53 PM context does not matter in Scripture why should it mater here,,sorry for making you judge me,,can you find the context of them and enlighten me to what i am missing,,really not being sarcastic find it for me if you want ,,i'll look too Post Reply
View Profile History	more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father Posted : 16 May, 2011 07:03 PM Context does not matter in Scripture? Wow icebro, did you just really say that? Post Reply
View Profile History	more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father Posted : 16 May, 2011 07:29 PM Is there a good reason for this thread? We know there are Jew haters out there, just as there are haters of all ethnic backgrounds and every other kind of whatever that causes one to hate another. I love the Jews. I have a couple good friends that are Jews, one Messianic, one Orthodox. I also know that God will not allow them to be wiped off the face of the earth, but why bring this up??? Post Reply
View Profile History	more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father Posted : 16 May, 2011 07:41 PM People have a lot of good reasons to hate Jews. I don't think I need to go into discussions of stereotypes, and I certainly see no need to expound on how stereotypes come into existence. Luther translated the Bible. He easily could've come out of it acknowledging the importance of the Jewish people as the ones chosen by God. He could see how Jesus was Jewish, and through their legacy and religion, Christianity was born, providing a savior for everybody on Earth. It would also be easy to read the Torah and the Old Testament and see how the Jews relentlessly took God for granted, continuously building golden calves, walking deserts for 40 years, falling into slavery, begging God for mercy, accepting miracles and assistance from God's awesome power, and then falling away from him again. How many times did they lose and then retake Israel? I don't even know. I admit that I am a mere quarter-Jew, but I am well acquainted with my family, my friends, and my people (insofar as Jews are my people.). Jews have always been the same, and they have always been spread throughout the entire planet acting like Jews. Thank goodness they finally regrouped and found Israel. But because they're Jews, everybody hates them. Christians hate them. Islamics hate them. Arabs, Islamic or not, hate them. They have a presence in China now, which means that Chinese are probably learning to hate them. People hate Jews. It's all over the Bible. It's all over history. It's no big surprise. They are a living metaphor for every man's walk with the Lord, gaining spiritual strength, gaining worldly success, succumbing to gluttony, falling away from God, losing everything, pleading to God for help, having their prayers answered and then following the same foolish, sinful course. I think it's a shame that these malicious quotes have come from the founder of the Protestant church, but I doubt they're out of context. They show that Martin Luther is a man who lived in the world at the time he lived in it. We are all in the same boat. I will never live in another time, past or future, and it isn't my fault. All I'm trying to say is that I think the original poster is trying to place the hypocrisy of a very important man in Christian history on a pedestal, when, clearly, he's only displaying one malicious side of the story. On a side note, please don't hate Jews. I acknowledge that it's the cool thing to do, it's as much a classic style as jeans, but as a man with a Messianic Jew heritage, I believe it's important to recognize that famous poem: Roses are red Violets are Bluish If it wasn't for J.C. We'd all be Jewish Post Reply
View Profile History	more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father Posted : 16 May, 2011 08:20 PM i posted this cause i saw the post below this quote martin as a cool guy which i don't think he was that cool but hey that is just me,,i just thought you should see this side of a church father since the other side is posted below this one,,sorry i don't really like this topic either,,it makes me sick to my stomach but what would make me more sick is to let the post below make this jew hater out to be a great guy Post Reply
View Profile History	more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father Posted : 16 May, 2011 08:34 PM I think Luther was a great man of God who God used to start the Reformation, the greatest period in Christian history. Luther was NOT a "Jew hater" in the Ethnic sense that we know today. Luther hated JUDAISM, and saw it as the theological ENEMY of the Christian faith. Usually the point of bringing it up is to slam the Christian faith. If you were the Devil, and you wanted to attack the Christian faith, one thing you would be sure to do is attack anyone who was a giant of the faith. Anyone who advanced or clarified the faith in some huge way. Well, guess who is attacked the most in the Christian faith???? Augustine, and John Calvin, and Martin Luther!! Augustine for his being honest about His sins. Calvin for supposedly killing Servetus. And Luther for being an anti-Semite. Augustine was honest about His sins, and Calvin did NOT kill Servetus and Luther's attitude toward the Jews was NOT ethnic, it was against JUDAISM. So, yes, the Devil wants to you to stay FAR AWAY from Augustine, and Calvin and Luther! As for me, I would ask you to read Augustine's "City of God". and the short account of Augustine and his mother, Monica, while she was dying. I would also ask you to read the greatest Christian handbook ever written called "the Institutes of the Christian religion" by John Calvin. And I would also ask that you read "the Bondage of the Will" buy Martin Luther. Just try and remember Luther did not hate Ethnic Jews, but those who practiced Judaism. Post Reply
View Profile History	more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father Posted : 16 May, 2011 08:36 PM James it would be correct to say the lord wanted to stay away from reformation theology, he has no part in lies and liars. Post Reply
View Profile History	more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father Posted : 16 May, 2011 08:39 PM Be specific PhillipJohn, and we will examine your claims. Post Reply
View Profile History	more quotes of a christian church Jew hating father Posted : 16 May, 2011 08:39 PM So I'm wrong and he didn't hate Jews? Cool. Doesn't stop a lot of other people from hating them though Post Reply

First

Page : 1 2 3 4 5

Next  10 >>

Last