Author	Thread: Fallen Angels
Admin	Fallen Angels Posted : 13 May, 2011 04:05 PM AND it came to pass, when men began to miltiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all they chose.( Genesis 6:1&2) Verse 4 says daughters of men bore children to the sons of God. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've been asked by more than one person to bring this up for discussion again. The last one was cut short.~~~~~~ My questions are: Who are the sons of God? fallen angels? How do we know it's impossible for fallen angels to procreate with human beings? If it were possible, maybe it has something to do with so much mental illness in the world? ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your Opinion? Post Reply
View Profile History	Fallen Angels Posted : 13 May, 2011 05:19 PM Who were the 'Sons of God' in Genesis. First of all the phrase Sons of God have different meanings in the Old Testament and the New, as different as Hebrew is from Greek. If you remember the Jews wanted to stone Jesus for claiming he was the Son of God. In the Old Testament the phrase Sons of God never refers to men, it always refers to angels. At that time, in that era, before Jesus and our adoption as sons, it was considered blasphemy to refer to a men as 'Sons of God'. Some will say it was the righteous descendants of Seth, however if they were righteous; why did God drown them in the flood? Some will say they were kings, royalty or powerful men that is why they took any they wanted for wives. Why then is it specifically mentioned that the offspring from this relationship majorly different, "great men of renown, heros of old" and the Nephlim are mentioned in the same sentence. Some will argue that since they are fallen angels they can't be referred to as 'Sons of God', ...Why? We have Angels and Fallen Angels, they are both Angels. Furthermore they may not have been considered fallen at the time since they hadn't bern judged for this action. I feel it is pretty clear "Sons of God" clearly refers to Angels Post Reply
View Profile History	Fallen Angels Posted : 13 May, 2011 05:41 PM The main reason people struggle with this is because of "preconceived ideas" like Angels cannot procreate......Says who? Scriptures describe Angels eating, wrestling, being lusted after, fighting in battle, killing etc... People quote the passage where Jesus says Angels in heaven don't marry. Take note: Jesus qualifies Angels with 'in heaven', he also says the don't marry, not that they can't. In addition even lowly man can clone and manipulate genetically to reproduce, it would be foolish to think it would be beyond the abilities of a Angel. One last thing; people have the wrong idea about flesh, blood and bone. It is not as one thinks; on a subatomic level; it is all energy. The real problem with the union between fallen Angels and humans was the reproduction of another spirit; a impure one. Remember when Jesus stated a generic fundamental law; flesh begats flesh and spirit begats spirit. Since these angels were locked up after the flood, some speculate the demons on earth are the spirits of the Nephilim, different from the fallen Angels that are also still on earth who didn't take on human form and drown in the flood. If the Nephilim are indeed the offspring of Angels and human, then not only would their flesh be a hybrid, but also their spirits; esp since the spirits of Angels are most likely eternal, where mans are mortal....another good reason to identify demons as the spirits of the deceased Nephilim. Post Reply
View Profile History	Fallen Angels Posted : 13 May, 2011 05:59 PM You just answered my question before I asked it , Two. I was going to comment that although Noah and his family were the only survivors of the flood, didn't the "sons of God"continue on because they were spirit? I suppose since they were in human form they drowned too? _____________________________ Also wondering , when Jesus allowed legion to enter the swine, what "deep" did they not want to be sent to? Post Reply
View Profile History	Fallen Angels Posted : 13 May, 2011 06:38 PM I am speculating, but not without Scriptural support: Only the Fallen Angels who took human form and wives of men were locked up in some sort of prison, leaving the the other Fallen Angels and the hybrid spirits of the deceased Nephilim free to roam the earth until their appointed time of judgement. Remember what the legion asked Jesus?.... 'have you come to torment us before the appointed time?' On a side note, Jesus did say that when a evil spirit leaves a person it wanders through arid places seeking rest. I find it ironic that if demons are the spirits of the Nephilim that drowned in the flood, that they went into the pigs and drowned. It was like Jesus was not going to go against the appointed time for torment, but set it up and they did it to themselves! Post Reply
View Profile History	Fallen Angels Posted : 13 May, 2011 07:01 PM PS, remember Scripture said this guy with the legion of spirits was incredibly strong, he could break chains! Remember what Scripture said about the Nephilim : 'heros of old, men of renown' Hmmm.... Post Reply
View Profile History	Fallen Angels Posted : 13 May, 2011 07:24 PM Here's a couple of more thoughts. I looked up two verses in the Bible in the Hebrew language: Genesis 6:2 and Job 1:6. In looking at the phrase Sons of God, neither sons of or God appear to be written in the same way. There's a little bit difference. Also, if there are people today, as some people think, that are descendants of the fallen angel/human, then the reformers are probably right about the elect. Somehow, I don't think God would allow someone who�s partly demonic to become His child. Now, I do believe people could become possessed, as in the case of the man possessed by the legion of spirits that Two mentioned. In such cases, these people are not part demon, and God's holiness can purify the possessed, to where they can become saved. Post Reply
View Profile History	Fallen Angels Posted : 13 May, 2011 07:46 PM Here's another thought from a friend the verse in Genesis was most likely referencing those who were God's people marrying Gentiles and that "demons and angels are not human...in no way shape of form..they are spiritual not physical" Post Reply
View Profile History	Fallen Angels Posted : 13 May, 2011 08:17 PM Cat, the second post: there were no Gentiles or Jews before Noah. I went to the Hebrew to see what you were talking about, the Hebrew words are identical, every character matches, the only difference I see is in Genesis it is written as one word, while in Job it is written as two words. Post Reply
View Profile History	Fallen Angels Posted : 13 May, 2011 08:22 PM Another thing this position helps me understand is why God supported the killing of whole races of people; man, woman, child, even their animals! Post Reply
View Profile History	Fallen Angels Posted : 14 May, 2011 02:47 AM I agree with you 2sparrows. "Sons of God" clearly refers to angels. Bahira Post Reply

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