From "The Real Messiah" by MattithYah Coover, � 2009.
Hebrew Yeshua vs. Greek Jesus Nehemia Gordon
Shockingly, in contrast to the Hebrew Yeshua, the Greek Jesus fits each one of these qualifications.
1. Yahshua is Yahweh, while at the same time remaining under the authority of the Father. Jesus, in contrast, is the co-equal, second person of the Trinity. Jesus thereby opposes, both Yahshua's deity, and the truth about his humanity - that is, the echad YHWH taking the form of flesh.
2. Yahshua made atonement for the sins of the repentant, Torah-obedient seeker of truth. Jesus removes the definition of sin by his supposed nailing of the law to the cross.
3. Yahshua expounded upon the Torah, coming not to destroy, but to establish all that was written in the Tanakh (Matthew 5:17, Luke 24:27). Jesus exacts laws in direct opposition to the laws of ucwhy, as he dispenses with the Ten Words, the entirety of the Torah, and the Eternal Torah covenant; all things which even the apostle Paul affirmed could NOT Scripturally be done (see Romans 3:31 and Galations 3:15,17).
4. Yahshua verified that not one jot or tittle has passed away from the Torah (Matthew 5:18). Jesus claims authority to add to, alter, and take away from the revelation which YHWH has given in His word.
The historical facts are that the Man, Yahshua, or Yeshua of Nazareth, walked this earth 2,000 years ago as the embodiment of the Divine Messiah YHWH, but no one called "Jesus Christ", nor anyone who supported what "Jesus" supports ever walked this earth as any Scriptural messiah, or for that matter, as any messiah at all. The Hebrew Yeshua is found in the ancient Hebrew Scriptures; The Greek Jesus only appears in our present day translations. The Hebrew Yeshua came to uphold His Father's Torah, and establish it as eternally binding on all humanity, and if you will pursue a Torah submissive lifestyle and system of beliefs, ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, you will find that the Greek Jesus promotes a "different gospel".
This is the same argument that happened 2000 years ago, in case you haven't read: The argument was settled by the very first and most important council of the Apostles. You can read about this in the Book of Acts. Yet there where some others who apparently did not agree with the council's decision and went around throwing the new Churches into confusion, they were called 'Judaizers'. You can read about this in Galatains.
As Ecclesiastes says 'There is nothing new under the sun, what is done now has been done before'
I knew I could get you to put your cards on the table if I just kept asking....
1. constantly using Hebrew words instead of ENGLISH was a big red flag.
This is an English speaking discussion board, and Saying Jesus' name in Hebrew does NOT make a Christian more spiritual OR theologically correct. I speak Russian, and in Russian Jesus' name is pronounced "eesoos". I don't say that here, OR constantly use Russian words because this is a ENGLISH speaking discussion group. see how that works?
2. You are against the Doctrine of the Trinity.
99% of Christians for all of church history, believe that God is Triune in nature. It sounds like your group teaches Modalism.
3. It also sounds like your denomination is some king of cross between Judaism and Christianity.
4. I think you need to explain WHY Christians have mis-interpreted Galatians. We see this as a group of Jews who said that trusting in Jesus was not good enough, and that a person ALSO had to be Circumcized and follow dietary laws in order to be saved. Could you explain What Paul was saying about this in Galatians for us?
I think most of the confusion is in the understanding of the translattion of the Hebrew/Aramic name for Jesus.
In Hebrew/Aramic , Yeshua is the name, which in the Greek it is Iesous, and when the New Testament Bible was translated from the Greek to Latin to English His name became Jesus.
Also, many people don't realize or even know that the original manuscript of the writings of Paul and the other apostles, was written in the Greek as far as we know, because Paul ministered to the Gentiles who many were Greek, or Greek- Jews, and the people spoke the language.
Paul's main purpose of writing to the church at Galatia was to explain to the new converts that justification of God's grace came only through faith, and he exposed the error of the Judiaizers who had come into the church teaching and felt that the new Christian Jews could hold on to both the laws of Moses and the truth of God's word which would lead them into legalism, and that they still have freedom in the teaching of Christ that Paul had taught them, if they didn't let go of the Torah/Old Testament/ Mosaic Law..
I maybe be wrong, and Ice, I stand corrected... but I think the confusion comes in trying to understand and hold on to the Jewish teachings of the Old Testament laws, and how to put them together with what Jesus teaches, as well as understand the Christian teachings of the New Testament that Paul teaches.
Many Jewish people, and other religions who hold on to, and are taught out of the OT, think that if they embrace the New Testament teachings totally, they will loses the teaching of the Old Testsment, which is not true. The teachings of the Old Testament only leads us to the New Testament teachings. Its a mind transferring of what to let go of and what to hold on to from the OT and its hard especially, if a person is a new convert and the Old Testament teachings is all they know.
I am working with a young man now who is doing his very best to transfer his Muslim teachings into God's truth, and there are time when his brains understands, and then there are times when he gets all confused, and/or tries to mix the both... he knows the Old Testament teachings, but can't grasp the New Testament teachings as to how all this works... faithplus grace equals salvation... without works.
I do not like these words in ehat is posted here!!!!! Because it is lie!:
ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, you will find that the Greek Jesus promotes a "different gospel".
Brothers, God is ONE and His Son, called Jesus, is ONE (NO MATTER IN WHICH LANGUAGE YOU WOULD CALL HIS NAME) and He is the same in the Hebrew Scripture and Gospel (in the New Testament) because the Tanakh/ the Old Testament speaks about Jesus and the Gospel says about this God Jesus in more details.
Those who know the Scripture can easily see God in Jesus and Jesus to be God.
Those who do not know God, do not want to know Him. God is seen in His HOLY Scriptures. NOTE the Gospel is HOLY! It is the HOLY Scripture!
God is ONE and His Son is the Creator of the universe. He is GOD. The Tanakh speaks about Him and the New Testament tells about Him. Now we shoulkd be more concerned because this Son of God is also the Judge and He is going to judge all of us. Only the Small Remnat will escape His Judgement and will get rewards. It will be the Reaward Ceremony. Are you among them? Or you are now among those who act against Him and His people?!
The Hebrew Yeshua is found in the ancient Hebrew Scriptures; The Greek Jesus only appears in our present day translations.
That's why I called it LIE.
Because God Jesus in any translations to any langauge is the same who is God Jesus in the Hebrew Scripture called the Tanakh!
There is no term the Greek Jesus. There are hundreds of names of this God Jesus in our Holy Scripture in the Old Testament and New Testament. And we believe in this God Jesus and not in hundreds of the anti-christs (false messiah).
i'll be back to defend myself and Scripture i guess,,now the focus has been place on me and not Scripture,,YAHSHUA turned the pharisees man-made religion upside down and they could do nothing but turn the focus on YAHSHUA just as you have done here,,trying to get me to "FESS UP" hahahaha i have held nothing from you,,,hahaha i am going away from a few days to pray and get guidance from the SPIRIT i will return to lay waste your man-made doctrine with Scripture once and for all,, i am going to go back over everything i have stated and the things you all wish to hear,,again i have held nothing back the focus was never to be on me,,but Scripture and when i do start posting NONE of this "i don't play that game" stuff when your doctrine does not match SCripture,,no questions turned at me,,if you can't use Scripture to express what you are saying then don't respond at all,,if you need more explanation then fine but no shooting the messenger
gloves are off
BY THE WAY TO EVERYONE IS WHO IS INTERESTED I HAVE NO DENOMINATION,,THE ONLY COVERING I HAVE IS MESSIAH ,,no man can explain better the Scripture MESSIAH has lived and explained
"Why callest me good? There is none good but one, that is God" (Matthew 19:17)
". . .for my Father is greater than I. . ." (John 14:28)
"My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)
"O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt." (Matthew 26:39)
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46)
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32)
"Who has gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God" (Peter 3:22)
debbie, I have had enough of you. there is an old saying that says, ignorance is bliss, which means ignorance is foolishness/folly, which means God HATES the folly of foolishness , which means IGNORANCE is the foolishness of folly which a SIN! And you have proven yourself to be involved in the practice of ignorance, foolishness, and folly which adds up to be SIN!
But as Paul says in his writing, let the person who is ignorant be ignorant....
My prayer is that God Hmself will open your eyes so that you will come to your senses unto repentance of your ways and behavior, and gain the spirtual understanding as to represent the meaning and behavior of your screen name, born-again-to- serve... then again maybe you are indeed representing your screen name, and from what you have displayed on this form, you in your unChrist-like behavior, one woud wonder who you are serving.
Moreover, I will ask you this question of you?... are your intents to continue to follow me around on every thread on this forum in an attempt to harass me?... if so, please be on notice that I WILL REPORT your and anyone else harassing behavior (s) to the administrator without consideration of your ignorance and lack of spiritual wisdom... you areindeed a true example of what God means about spreading strife and stirring up discord among the Christian believers, christian hypocrisy at its best... surely, you don't think God is well pleased with your behavior?... but then again, a seared conscience is of one who is in darkness who HAS A FORM OF GODLINESS, nor does this person spritiaully understand what God thinks and what is porper and what isn't proper... nor would this person have a clue or idea as to what pleases God in the first place, becaseu they are all wrap up and tied up and tangled up in their OWN self-righteousness, and christian hypocrisy, and as Paul says are in sins themsleves..
I say to you, May the God Himself rebuke your ungodly behavior in the name of Jesus Christ!
