You love this fan club that you have don't you.:applause::dancingp::yay::peace::rocknroll::bouncy:
I think that this exists so that the couple has a child that is really both of theirs, or at least one of theirs.
Sarah tried that with Hagar and later Rachel and Leah used their maids to have a baby making competition.:rolleyes: FINAL SCORE: 12 boys, 1 girl.
KIMBERLY: There is nothing wrong with your texting to the chat forum. The typos aren't yours. These message boxes have dyslexia. I know that I type I, but it many times comes out i. It loves to change just to jsut.
The last thing I'm on here for is a fan club. I'm here merely to see different peoples views and beliefs. I like to see what makes peope tick and what drives them. I love to socialize.
I'm most fierce when facing opposition. I like seeing that side of me come out the wildcat in me. When I go back and read what I wrote in response....I'm like wow I can't believe I wrote that!!!!
The only fan I want is Jesus.
I think I should start a blog how does one go about that? Maybe God can give me the words to inspire someone out there.
You want something or someone so bad that you get so fed up that you decide you want to do things your way. Often times we make our plans, have them on paper set in stone, ready to go� got them all laid out to a �T�. Then you do whatever you need to do to �make it happen�. But you find that it doesn�t work out exactly like you had it planned. Somewhere along the line you forgot to include the �what ifs�. AND invariably the �what ifs� protrude and interrupt, and you find out �oops, didn�t think about that�.
Sometimes we get more than we bargain for when we take matters in our own hands.
We pray to God--- sometimes He answers, and it�s no or wait. And sometimes He doesn�t answer right away or ever�. Yes-- whether He might be saying no, wait, or doesn�t answer at all we still go after it. We want what we want, and it�s now or never. God gives us free will as it�s been expressed through various posting and scripture, and as He loves us so very much, He has that kind of love for us where He allows us to do our thing.
However, with that in mind, we must know and understand that as God allows us the choice to do as we wish, we also will learn that while the choices may be ours, the consequences will never be ours to choose. For those of us who believe the Word of God, and �know� it, meaning it�s been embedded deep in our heart BUT--- we choose still to bypass the truth, and even twist the Word around abit to justify whatever it is about that want-- well the consequences are much harsher. When He (God) knows that we know Him, we�ve gotten a taste of how God works in our lives, while He still may forgive, still love, He doesn�t remove the consequences. Sometimes there are hard, and valuable lessons He needs us to get, and remember. God knows our heart yes, but He will want us to be purified and tested in all assurance that He will be able to trust us to be used without fail in His greatest purpose for us which it to glorify Him.
Just sharing thoughts as I�ve listened to the news today and reading posts. Open for thoughts, comments or testimony.
Using a Surrogate Mother does not circumnavigate God's miracle of birth or His will of a man and wife as parents. It does complicate the "parents" of the child, but perhaps the benefit outweights the problems it may cause.
IE on the other hand leaves the father out of the equation (not the way God intended it to be).
You know there are more important battles that could use a warrior spirit. Pray on it?
dear folks,, if its just a couple , a big no.. hehe
and if its a married couple then im sittin here thinkin how could i possibly tell folks its ok for a husband sharing a part of himself to another woman,, even if its just his seed ,
its a part of him that i believe should only be shared between him and his wife..
i believe that part of him was meant to be reserved for him and his wife.. not for him to share with anyone else..
if we remember that when sarai thought that the LORD had restrained her from bearing children..
she sent abram in to hagar her maid and gave her to him to be his wife.notice i say not just to be a baby machine but yet his wife also.. then after hagar concieved we see that she despised sarai for it. sarai seen that she had made a mistake..
3 Then Sarai, Abram's wife, took Hagar her maid, the Egyptian, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan. 4 So he went in to Hagar, and she conceived. And when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress became despised in her eyes.
5 Then Sarai said to Abram, "My wrong be upon you! I gave my maid into your embrace; and when she saw that she had conceived, I became despised in her eyes. The Lord judge between you and me."
so to me i believe you wait on the LORD or you could always adopt.thus not sharing your mate with another..
plus another danger in sharing your mate also is she could after carryin the child to term decide she cant part with it.. then you got yourself an even bigger mess.
dear folks, i got this off my study bible it explains things a little better than me about sarai hagar and abram and the choices they made.. again this is not my own words here but my study bible..
ole cattle
genesis chapter 16 Verses 1-3
We have here the marriage of Abram to Hagar, who was his secondary wife. Herein, though some excuse may be made for him, he cannot be justified, for from the beginning it was not so; and, when it was so, it seems to have proceeded from an irregular desire to build up families for the speedier peopling of the world and the church. Certainly it must not be so now. Christ has reduced this matter to the first institution, and makes the marriage union to be between one man and one woman only. Now,
I. The maker of this match (would one think it?) was Sarai herself: she said to Abram, I pray thee, go in unto my maid, v. 2. Note, 1. It is the policy of Satan to tempt us by our nearest and dearest relations, or those friends that we have an opinion of and an affection for. The temptation is most dangerous when it is sent by a hand that is least suspected: it is our wisdom therefore to consider, not so much who speaks as what is spoken. 2. God's commands consult our comfort and honour much better than our own contrivances do. It would have been much more for Sarai's interest if Abram had kept to the rule of God's law instead of being guided by her foolish projects; but we often do ill for ourselves.
II. The inducement to it was Sarai's barrenness.
1. Sarai bare Abram no children. She was very fair (ch. 12:14), was a very agreeable, dutiful wife, and a sharer with him in his large possessions; and yet written childless. Note, (1.) God dispenses his gifts variously, loading us with benefits, but not overloading us: some cross or other is appointed to be an alloy to great enjoyments. (2.) The mercy of children is often given to the poor and denied to the rich, given to the wicked and denied to good people, though the rich have most to leave them and good people would take most care of their education. God does herein as it has pleased him.
2. She owned God's providence in this affliction: The Lord hath restrained me from bearing. Note, (1.) As, where children are, it is God that gives them (ch. 33:5), so where they are wanted it is he that withholds them, ch. 30:2. This evil is of the Lord. (2.) It becomes us to acknowledge this, that we may bear it, and improve it, as an affliction of his ordering for wise and holy ends.
3. She used this as an argument with Abram to marry his maid; and he was prevailed upon by this argument to do it. Note, (1.) When our hearts are too much set upon any creature-comfort, we are easily put upon the use of indirect methods for the obtaining of it. Inordinate desires commonly produce irregular endeavours. If our wishes be not kept in a submission to God's providence, our pursuits will scarcely be kept under the restraints of his precepts. (2.) It is for want of a firm dependence upon God's promise, and a patient waiting for God's time, that we go out of the way of our duty to catch at expected mercy. He that believes does not make haste.
4. Abram's compliance with Sarai's proposal, we have reason to think, was from an earnest desire of the promised seed, on whom the covenant should be entailed. God had told him that his heir should be a son of his body, but had not yet told him that it should be a son by Sarai; therefore he thought, "Why not by Hagar, since Sarai herself proposed it?'' Note, (1.) Foul temptations may have very fair pretenses, and be coloured with that which is very plausible. (2.) Fleshly wisdom, as it anticipates God's time of mercy, so it puts us out of God's way. (3.) This would be happily prevented if we would ask counsel of God by the word and by prayer, before we attempt that which is important and suspicious. Herein Abram was wanting; he married without God's consent. This persuasion came not of him that called him.
Verses 4-6
We have here the immediate bad consequences of Abram's unhappy marriage to Hagar. A great deal of mischief it made quickly. When we do not well both sin and trouble lie at the door; and we may thank ourselves for the guilt and grief that follow us when we go out of the way of our duty. See it in this story.
I. Sarai is despised, and thereby provoked and put into a passion, v. 4. Hagar no sooner perceives herself with child by her master than she looks scornfully upon her mistress, upbraids her perhaps with her barrenness, insults over her, to make her to fret (as 1 Sa. 1:6), and boasts of the prospect she had of bringing an heir to Abram, to that good land, and to the promise. Now she thinks herself a better woman than Sarai, more favoured by Heaven, and likely to be better beloved by Abram; and therefore she will not submit as she has done. Note, 1. Mean and servile spirits, when favoured and advanced either by God or man, are apt to grow haughty and insolent, and to forget their place and origin. See Prov. 29:21; 30:21-23. It is a hard thing to bear honour aright. 2. We justly suffer by those whom we have sinfully indulged, and it is a righteous thing with God to make those instruments of our trouble whom we have made instruments of our sin, and to ensnare us in our own evil counsels: this stone will return upon him that rolleth it.
II. Abram is clamoured upon, and cannot be easy while Sarai is out of humour; she upbraids him vehemently, and very unjustly charges him with the injury (v. 5): My wrong be upon thee, with a most unreasonable jealousy suspecting that he countenanced Hagar's insolence; and, as one not willing to hear what Abram had to say for the rectifying of the mistake and the clearing of himself, she rashly appeals to God in the case: The Lord judge between me and thee; as if Abram had refused to right her. Thus does Sarai, in her passion, speak as one of the foolish women speaketh. Note, 1. It is an absurdity which passionate people are often guilty of to quarrel with others for that of which they themselves must bear the blame. Sarai could not but own that she had given her maid to Abram, and yet she cries out, My wrong be upon thee, when she should have said, What a fool was I to do so! That is never said wisely which pride and anger have the inditing of; when passion is upon the throne, reason is out of doors, and is neither heard nor spoken. 2. Those are not always in the right who are most loud and forward in appealing to God. Rash and bold imprecations are commonly evidences of guilt and a bad cause.
III. Hagar is afflicted, and driven from the house, v. 6. Observe, 1. Abram's meekness resigns the matter of the maid-servant to Sarai, whose proper province it was to rule that part of the family: Thy maid is in thy hand. Though she was his wife, he would not countenance nor protect her in any thing that was disrespectful to Sarai, for whom he still retained the same affection that ever he had. Note, Those who would keep up peace and love must return soft answers to hard accusations. Husbands and wives particularly should agree, and endeavour not to be both angry together. Yielding pacifies great offenses. See Prov. 15:1. 2. Sarai's passion will be revenged upon Hagar: She dealt hardly with her, not only confining her to her usual place and work as a servant, but probably making her to serve with rigour. Note, God takes notice of, and is displeased with, the hardships which harsh masters unreasonably put upon their servants. They ought to forbear threatening, with Job's thought, Did not he that made me make him? Job 31:15. 3. Hagar's pride cannot bear it, her high spirit having become impatient of rebuke: She fled from her face. She not only avoided her wrath for the present, as David did Saul's, but she totally deserted her service, and ran away from the house, forgetting, (1.) What wrong she hereby did to her mistress, whose servant she was, and to her master, whose wife she was. Note, Pride will hardly be restrained by any bonds of duty, no, not by many. (2.) That she herself had first given the provocation, by despising her mistress. Note, Those that suffer for their faults ought to bear their sufferings patiently, 1 Pt. 2:20.
Many couples who crave a child of their own are turning to surrogate mothers.
Curious to know?
I think that choices are what they are "choices" my choice if I was not able to have a child of my own. Is No, I wouldn't seek a Surrogate Mother. Reason why if based on my beliefs is I just choose not to put more of the burden on me (quilt of being childless and un bearing) and just the thought of using a stranger as if bypassing the whole operation to please my own satisfactions of my child yearning fears,
I don't know it seems everyone just has to find a way to get what you want when they want it and with placing good logical even ethical reasons that seem to help make the guilt either work for you or against you in matters or choices in each individual lives. I think this area is really just a personal preference more than on belief if belief had anything to do with it Sarah would have believed in her beliefs...GivenLife
