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Posted : 19 Dec, 2009 06:38 PM

I didn't marry the men who proposed to me cuz I knew they wouldn't make a good father for my baby and other personal reasons. I don't regret marrying them I believe God spared me from being divorced three times if I did.



Now the men who show interest in me aren't men I could ever be interested in.



I've wanted my baby ever since I could remember. I've been waiting upon the Lord not having any sex prior to marriage keeping pure but the man hasn't came. I've done a bunch of dating too in hopes to find him he still hasn't come. I honestly believe that since there are more Christian men than women that realistically not every woman who has the desire to have a baby will be given to a husband. So God being the all knowing God gave this gift to women who've been waiting all their life to have a baby.



This was my last option that I have I refused to marry the wrong men then and the wrong men now just to have a baby.



If a good Christian man pulls up beside me during any part of this process I'll be going thru and if I fall in love with him and him me then I would love to marry him. If I'm not suppose to marry and me and parents raise my baby I'm prepared to do that too. Tarasye was right that I want this baby more than life itself. I love myself and family too much to be suicidal so don't be getting any bright ideals.....heeeheee. An Irish girl never kills herself c'mon people snap out of it



I'm very emotionally happy, love life love God and usually believe it or not I'm the one counselling on my friends.



Archie Debate time



Rape isn't fornication cuz fornication is a sin and rape isn't a sin cuz the woman was forced.



Artificial Insem is a medical procedure proof it's covered by medical insurance therefore thats not sex. Medical insurance doesn't cover someone having sex or committing fornication.



Define fornication-voluntary intercourse between an unmarried man and woman.



There is a syringe inserted for Artificial insemination proof that fornication isn't committed cuz the man won't be there for intercourse.



I've done my research physically Artificial Insemination isn't sex. Biblically it's not a sin.



Bible states we should be fruitful and multiply. Better to marry than burn with passion and since no man to marry better to do this to have my baby than to get knocked up to have a baby.



Bible states women who don't bare children in so many words their womb has been cursed. I want my womb to be fruitful and bear a child so I can train he or she up in the ways of the Lord.



Getting knocked up is clearly in the bible in black and white is a sin that no one can deny that. The bible never condems this process of having a baby.



I believe God is omnipotent and he sends us help via medical technology and we have to reach out and step out in faith. Why can we use technology to save a man from a heart attack and not use it to create a live precious baby? God gave the technology we should use it.



Just like I don't know 100% sure that it's God's will for me to get pregnant this way any more than I know if it's God's will for me to have a good day at work or not.



None of you know 100% for sure that it isn't God's will either. If you think you do then that must make you more righteous than anyone on board here. I've read the verses and none of them state this is wrong.



So I for one am leaving it in God's hands if I get pregnant what an awesome joy and honor that will be if not then it will be hard but will have to accept God's no.



God's no is the only no I will accept.



Focus on the family a biblical radio show supports that a couple wanting kids wouldn't be sinning if the woman allowed a zygote to be implanted in her. This faithbased Christian radio show is what gave me the ideal.

Uv all heard of Dr Dobson haven't you.... I love him and his show. When heard this on the radio I knew that there's still hope for me to have a baby yet. I was so touched by this program it brought me to tears and called my Mom immediately after hearing it.

I believe the program is snowflakes.com. Since can't afford the invitro Ive decided to go with Artificial Insem.



Anyway that throws ur theory about the seed out of the water cuz this married couple's wife is carrying another man's seed. Sometimes Christians can become tunnel vision and ritualistic like the Pharisees and not open to new blessings that the Good Lord can have in store for you.



I for one am going to reach out to God and keep knocking for a baby until he says no.



Consensual sex outside of marriage is a fornication. Rape or any class of it is not fornication.



Gbu

Kimberly:-)

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Posted : 19 Dec, 2009 06:51 PM

Dear Archie,



I wrote that poorly Rape is a sin. Rape isn't fornication cuz fornication is consensual.



Gbu

Kimberly:-)

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Posted : 19 Dec, 2009 08:13 PM

Merry Christmas,



Kimberly!

I should know better than to try to change the mind of a stubborn Cail�n.





Peace



God Be With You!

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Posted : 20 Dec, 2009 07:59 AM

Isn't that the kettle calling the kettle black Archie?



I may be alot of things but a stubborn girl isn't one of them.



Gbu

Kimberly:-)

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Posted : 20 Dec, 2009 11:39 AM

Since found out not allowed to post websites on board here my apologies. If you want to find out more info on the snowflakes agency that stirred my heart to do this.



Do a google search on Snowflakes embryo adoption.



Jesus is Risen!



Gbu

Kimberly:-)

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Posted : 21 Dec, 2009 11:54 AM

I consider myself a POT...thank you very much...humph!



kettle...indeed!

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Posted : 21 Dec, 2009 01:48 PM

dearest kimberly, ive got another thought here on this..

id like to put you to work now like you did me ,made me have to search for scriptures hehe.. but a little work never hurt nobody .. smile



so i will ask you if you will , a few questions and all..



lets throw out the tecnological issue ok...just forget about that..



now , lets look for biblical answers to your decision..

where in the bible is there any scriptures that tell women that its alright to have a child without bein married to a husband? out of wedlock? not a maybe but that its really approved of by GOD.. my ole memory aint so good so there may be a verse for that that i just cant remember right off.



it was also asked on one of your other posts a really good question about is it biblical for a woman or man thats single to adopt a child? not a maybe. but a verse that says it plainly that its appoved of by GOD? like i said before there may be a verse for that but i just cant remember it right off.



could you please help me to look for them ,so far i havent been able to find any.. but im old and slow so hehe



ive been to right many churches and ive never heard any of them preach that its ok to have a child out of wedlock.. and i myself wont preach that its ok unless i had positive proof with scripture and feel it in my heart..



thats not to say one cant be forgiven for doing so.. if one has a repentant heart and asks for forgiveness they will be forgiven..

so if a woman had had a child out of wedlock id not hold that against her far as pursueing her.. and id love that child as my own..

i dont care or judge anyone for their past i go by how they treat me now.. not what theyve done in their past..



and hey just because you are thinkin of doin so now or even if you do so now.. that wont effect my love for you as a sister in any way.. ill still love you the same as i do today..

and thats alot.. either choice you may choose.. but i will still preach to ya hehe...



also from what i can tell from the many churches i been to and from what i can read about others is that they do push for folks to adopt children..

but they push for the folks who are married and have a stable biblical marriage home with two loving parents .. husband and wife that is.. not some of the marriages we may see today.. but the ones tween man and woman..

they do not push for single parents..

why is that?



because the bible lays it out for us ,man and woman become husband and wife and then come the children.. and heres a few more verses that are for the children and they come in the chapter right after the chapter for marriage CHRIST and the church... teachin husband and wife.. . and then we have the chapter after that for the children.. pay close attention that the childrens chaper comes right after the husband and wifes chapter..always an order to things..



heres the verses



Children and Parents



ephesians 6:1-4 1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 "Honor your father and mother," which is the first commandment with promise: 3 "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth."

4 And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord.



notice it says chirldren and parents in the heading.. not parent

and obey your parents not parent..

honor your father and mother. not singular..

then it tells the fathers to bring them up in the training of the LORD.. so a father is needed..



see we need to teach the children these days of the value marriage of a husband and a wife and family..

who is the head of JESUS? GOD

who is the head of man? JESUS

and man is head of the woman, wife? the husband.. and who is head of the children? the husband and the wife

see GOD always has an order to things.. its always there if we look for it..

ole cattle

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Posted : 21 Dec, 2009 10:46 PM

closest example, if i remember correctly would be the story of Judah and Tamar in the book of Genesis.



not sure that's totally applicable but the motive behind it was the same. that is wanting to have children but not having a man to get her pregnant.



I've actually considered single parent adoption simply on the standpoint that there is a need to fill because you've got some bad parents out there and the church is not doing their part to adopt the kids.



I do think it is better for a child to have both a mother and a father. But i also think it is better for a child to be raised by one Godly parent than two loser parents that could be cookin meth in basement or whatever.



But thats a different case in that, i would be raising a kid that has already been brought into this world. I wouldn't want to get a girl pregnant just so i could have a kid by myself.



i can't totally relate to you thumper, cuz im not a woman but i do understand somewhat the desire to have kids but also not having a mate to help raise them.

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Posted : 22 Dec, 2009 05:34 AM

Dear Fury thankx for ur comments.



O'l Cattle what better example in bible than story of Jesus himself he didn't have 2 biological parents only one. Mary was impregnated before marriage

Joseph was biological father but stuck by the side of Mary. What a man!!! I wanna Joseph.



I know I will get married cuz God has placed that desire in my heart to have a husband. So my baby will be raised by 2 parents. You said urself Cattle that if a woman already had a child you would love them as ur own. I know there are many men like Joseph willing and ready to father a child who's not their own.



I don't have time on my side is the problem. I'm in my best baby producing time now and God has placed the desire in my heart to have a baby and if I wait for a man to get the nerve to propose to me again I'll be 80. I've decided the time is now to have the baby or never. God will approve my request one way or other no doubt.



Fury I agreed with all ur comments. We are in the same situation is why we understand what the other is going thru so much. Other on here who already have kids can never understand what we're going thru. Just like we don't understand what those are going thru who already have kids and have been married before.



I do believe it's best for a baby to have 2 parents if I didn't believe this I wouldn't be on here praying that God guides me to a husband. I believe like you that it's better for a baby to have one faithful parent a dad or mom as opposed to 2 criminal parents. I know if I was a child I'd rather have one parent who loved me even if they weren't biological as opposed to 2 biological parents who worried more bout getting their next fix than me.



Psalm 37:4 and belive states in Phillipians that the reason we have the desires in our heart is cuz God himself placed them there. I believe that God placed this desire in my heart to have my baby this way. Who can understand the will of God. Maybe this is somehow protecting my baby from me marrying the wrong man just to have a baby. Only God knows his plan but I'm feel very warm fuzzy of the beautiful possibility of being given a precious little baby soon I pray. I can't wait.



I also want my family when I do marry to be like the example family of Mary and Joseph where I stay home like Marry did and raise my baby maybe getting a job can work from home if husband agrees with it. No child of mine is going to be pawned off at daycare. Jesus wasn't pawned off at daycare and neither will my baby be.



Two parents preferred but not necessary.



Gbu

Kimberly:-)

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Posted : 22 Dec, 2009 05:42 AM

(mp) Joseph wasn't biological parent.

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Posted : 22 Dec, 2009 06:09 AM

But he was in the picture Kimberly. I think there is still something missing in your picture, but that is just my observation. I still stand on His Blessing for you, His Blessing, His Will, His Way for you for this is a long and difficult journey, and that "happy ending" is a long way out there. Whatever His answer is, God be with you.



Tarasye

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