"to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord (God's commandment to the married): A wife is not to depart from her husband. But even if she does depart (get a divorce), let her remain unmarried or be reconciled (remarried) to her husband." (Same commands apply to husbands. Don't divorce, don't marry another.)
So what if God says a divorced person shouldn't marry someone else in 1 Corinthians 7:11, that they should remain alone for the rest of their life or be reconciled to their wife/husband.
"You don't understand "my" situation."
"You don't know what kind of monster my ex is."
"I have needs."
"He doesn't understand because never had to endure this, so He can't possibly relate."
"I don't think God would want me to be alone for the rest of my life."
Help me out here. What are some other reasons why God is clueless with His false expectations for the life of the divorced?
Tell everyone why it's ridiculous to think God's nonsense plan will work.
God is not clueless. He created us all and so then, who better than our creator who can understand us and what we are going through.
The marriage relationship is one of those things that is very close to the heart of God and that is why when it fails, it affects everything else around us. Having said that, It is very unfortunate that most people never spend time praying for their future spouses. As opposed to consulting with God, they consult with family and mostly friends and that is why they end up in bad marriages that eventually lead to divorce.
The scripture verse that you quoted is to let us know what God's will is for us, in regard to marriage. God is omniscient and He knows what we are capable of doing. But instead of forcing His will on us, He has given us the GIFT OF FREE WILL TO CHOOSE. Like I said, the scripture verse is there to let us know His will is for us. So It is up to us to CHOOSE whether to obey His word or not.
I heard a sermon a long time ago on the radio speaking about God's grace.
In Old Testament, God has both the attributes of anger and wrath. In New Testament, God has the attributes of love, mercy, forgiveness, and grace. The verse about the fruits of the spirit is important (Galatians 5:22-23 ends with "against such there is no law." )
While I've seen extremes with some denominations such as condemnation, ex-communication, and even projected hate when a divorce comes to be, the God I know today is more about mercy, forgiveness, and grace. When you became saved, try to imagine Jesus tossing all of your sins into a lake and putting up a "No Fishing" sign. You can dwell on them if you want, but sincere repentance puts those things in the past. Satan is good at reminding believers of their past - it's an efficient way to disable them to do God's work in the present.
Jesus teaches us that there is one unforgivable sin - blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Basically it is complete rejection of Jesus and his redemption of our sins on the cross altogether.
Can God bring two divorced people together to join in marriage which ultimately goes on to glorify Him? I believe that He can. That's forgiveness, mercy, and grace right there and God is good. In the very beginning, God Himself said "It's not good for man to be alone." and then created Eve. One interesting thing to note from the fall - Adam's first response when God was calling for him in the Garden of Eden was "This woman, this woman that you sent me..she did give me the fruit and I did eat." Blame has been going on since the beginning. Be accountable instead of projecting the blame elsewhere.
Human beings are always going to judge, God is just the master at it. Denominations and divisions aren't even of God anyway (be of like mind) and those are all man-made. It's well known that Christians are the only ones who shoot their wounded. Don't let them! Legalism and the traditions of men have taken many denominations far, far away from the Holy Spirit, truth, and God's perfect love.
"It's easier to get forgiveness than permission." - the evil one
If you think it's so easy to get forgiveness, try going to the cross and paying for the sin of the whole world. Jesus was sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, knowing the horrors He was about to face.
"God changed from the Old Testament to the New Testament" - the evil one
"For I am the Lord, I do not change" Malachi 3:6
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning." James 1:7
"It's okay to divorce and marry another person" - the evil one
"Do not divorce" - God 1 Corinthians 7:10-11
"Stay unmarried or reconcile with your spouse" - God 1 Corinthians 7:11
"Woe unto those who call evil good, and good evil" - God
"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, He also has rejected you from being king.� - God's rebuke of Saul who "rejected" God's word, and like Frank Sinatra would say, "did it his way" instead of obeying the word of God.
"Go and sin no more" - the last recorded words of Jesus Christ to the woman caught in adultery. John 8:11
"Be holy, for I am holy" - God
Any time you find yourself rationalizing sin in advance of committing a particular sin, you've already sinned, because you have called God a liar, and rejected His word.
Addressing my post by my username rather than the attempted ambiguity in your personal reply would have shown me much more intellectual honesty on your part. Do you really have to hide your face to post here?
I think the most prominent thing I'm seeing in your post is when you quote like this " - the evil one". It almost sounds like you have a personal relationship with him and maybe perhaps God as well at the exact same time but anyone can toss out scripture these days holding the appearance of truth and still be a deceitful worker. I for one was not raised in a strict, home of legalism and as such have been told I would have a better understanding of God's grace than someone who was beaten into believing. I had a free will choice in deciding to accept Jesus as my personal savior and my King. No man, preacher or otherwise is ever going to steal away my free will. God is perfectly allowed and capable of that but God wanted me to have that free will.
I do not appreciate you putting words in my mouth - I made no mention of God changing here in this post. In OT there was no forgiveness, Jesus wasn't around at that point and God had entire generations wiped out. In NT there is mercy, grace, and forgiveness because of the price Jesus paid for all on the cross. God didn't change, attributes were ADDED the same way spiritual gifts are added once your walk with the Lord gets close. I stopped trying to put God in a box a long time ago, and I have zero interest in controlling others through legalism, scripture itself, etc. We catch them, but let God clean them. It's not your job nor mine to "fix" people.
I'm not sure who is planning out sin, but I do recall a verse warning everyone about the adversary coming about as a roaring lion looking for any whom he can devour. Is your main photo of a lion? It looks like a baby lion to me but maybe it's a tiger.
Do you remember the one thief on the cross who admitted his wrongdoing to Jesus and asked to be with him in paradise on that day? Jesus did not start condemning the man, nor preaching at him. Jesus embraced him. Do you truly know who Jesus is because I think you only mentioned his name maybe once.
We're all sinners including you, not one is above reproach but since you decided to state "Be holy, for I am holy" - God" I would sincerely recommend losing all connective imagery with a roaring lion, a working relationship with the evil one (you're quoting him, not me) or a baby lion as your picture as even baby lions grow up one day looking to devour.
I'd say you understand legalism, tradition, and control(fire and brimstone, etc.) far more than you know mercy and grace but God truly knows the human heart better than the both of us. Don't try to control others, God is in complete control when men know the right time to surrender to Him.
There is one thing I do sincerely concur with you on.. calling God a liar is a big no-no. Most often that's only when people worry though whether it's about money, food, or some other facet of life and life has many facets. Our word "worry" comes from two Greek words that essentially mean "divided mind". A house divided cannot stand any more than a divided mind can stand.
Don't preach at people (don't throw words at them and point a finger of accusation - rather show them the love of Jesus Christ.) I believe that your goal here may have been to edify, but the whole time the lion imagery and the close connection to "the evil one" was popping out like a dangerous red flag. Must have been another "Godincidence". I'm due for some much needed rest though nonetheless.
Let divorced people find the person God truly meant for them in free will - God allows people free will. Don't try to steal free will away from people. Having sins forgiven and having wisdom to know people are going to make mistakes is the difference between a controlling, possessive man and God Almighty Himself - one of these shows a better example of unconditional love than the other, do you not agree?
Being a Christian is not a license to sin, but mercy and grace are a much straighter path towards the kingdom of God than legalism and the traditions of men or all of that fire and brimstone stuff which I feel you're embracing. The God I know - I have high reverence for... not fear. It's a healthy respect and a working relationship with God and God alone (through His son Jesus), and I'm not living life in paranoia because unconditional love, free will, and forgiveness is just the right choice over fire and brimstone preaching or being browbeat by some anonymous internet user who seems to communicate with "the evil one".
I don't know if typing all of this was worth it or not, but it was good to flex these apologetic muscles again so I genuinely appreciate you for that.
Take care, I will not duel here any further with you as it in no way glorifies God. Embracing a sinner in love does - that's what Jesus did. "Go and sin no more" is absolutely right when forgiveness is in place with true repentance but I wouldn't be able to sit here in good conscience knowing some people in bad marriages are being hurt, physically or emotionally abused, or live in terror every single day of their lives. Hell is a pit, a holding cell. Life wasn't meant to be one.
"But let your �Yes� be �Yes,� and your �No,� �No.� For whatever is more than these IS FROM the evil one."
"And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen."
"I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one."
"But the Lord is faithful, who will establish you and guard you from the evil one."
How is it you have a problem with the term the Holy One of Israel and His apostles used for the father of lies, nor understand that lies come from him?
"I ... have been told I would have a better understanding of God's grace than someone who was beaten into believing." Were you shown this in scripture? What is the basis for believing this if it did not come from God's word? Experience? Do you believe one size fits all? I assure you it does not. "And on some have compassion, making a distinction; 23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh." It is just as wrong to never hold up God's unchanging standards of holiness and to never require accountability, as it is to never show grace or mercy.
I will never all you to rob me of the grace God has given me to obey His commands, including the following:
"I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry."
God has the exact same attributes in the exact proportion and arrangement in the New Testament as He did in the Old Testament. To point to certain attributes and to say He had them in one testament, and to point to others in the other testament, is to suggest some change in His character.
Of the 275 times the word "mercy" appears in scripture, 221 are in the Old Testament, and the vast majority are related directly to the character of God. The is not an attribute that God acquired in the New Testament. That is a lie of the devil. And in case you still don't understand, the evil one = the father of lies = the evil one = Satan = many other names. Asking why I call the devil the evil one is like asking why I call God Lord, or the Almighty, or the Ancient of Days, or the Lion of Judah. Speaking of lions....
And what of this nonsense about how many times I mentioned the name of God? I used 3 different names/titles of God, and one of them a number of times in the 2 posts of mine above.
I will continue my answer regarding the rest of your assertions as God wills. In the mean time, oppose the preaching of His holy word and the upholding of His holy standards at your own peril.
There is always extra information to consider, and God does not give one righteous way for people and then give nothing after. It matters if people need to avoid fornication themselves, everybody has their own calling, some are called to deceit, but fairness and understanding still exists..
Regarding the unbeliever departing and you claiming they do not commit fornication.
The very departing of them is fornication with the world, if someone departs, and they commit fornication, they wont return to their husband.
If the unbelieving departs, they automatically commit fornication with the world, and, with no morals will fornicate, either way, for the believer to be in peace, God said it plainly, let every man have his own wife, otherwise in that situation how can the man himself avoid fornication when being left of an unbelieving woman ? There is only one possible righteous answer, Gods word still stands, the man to avoid fornication can marry, because he did no wrong for the unbeliever to depart. But if a man is left and he is the adulterer, he is entitled to nothing, as he already is in sin...
1 Corinthians 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
1 Corinthians 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
Isaiah 23:17 And it shall come to pass after the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she shall turn to her hire, and shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth.
Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whoore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Leviticus 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
God has warned expressly, the seducing spirits forbid you to marry. They speak lies in hypocrisy. The have no conscience. This is for right now. The devils doctrine is not giving the Lords good wisdom, but are against it. They seem to speak good, but the substance is crooked and against God anyway. The purpose of the one who thinks God is his father, is to take ope away from people and the Lords righteousness to give chance to people to marry. The same as they tried to circumcise people when that was wrong, but they also were stopped.
God does not give hope for people to marry to avoid fornication, and due to no fault of their own, the unbeliever departs and is immediately a fornicator. The same judgement applies, to avoid fornication all can have their own wife. But if the man or woman was the adulterer, their concern is to avoid their soul being destroyed instead.
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Acts 15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.
"Now to the MARRIED I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from HER HUSBAND. 11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to HER HUSBAND. And a husband is not to divorce HIS WIFE."
Almighty God calls the man "her husband" AFTER the divorce. There is no prohibition on getting married, as they can REMARRY THEIR SPOUSE. The prohibition is against marrying someone not their spouse, while the spouse lives. In the eyes of God, the divorced ARE STILL married. God didn't call the man in these verse "her ex-husband", rather, "her husband".
"A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord."1 Corinthians 7
"Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man." Romans 7
To all who cant see the difference I made it clear, the first words are to the married believers from the Lord. The second is regarding unbelievers, as the Lords commandments are for believers. The first is to be reconciled to her husband, as she has the Spirit of Christ in her with morals, and won go far from her husband or to fornication. The second example is to the unbeliever who has no morals, no Spirit of Christ and will go out of sight of her husband, not concerned for his plight, and will fornicate. The believing wife is concerned for her husband knowing he may fornicate if alone without a wife, so she keeps near to make sure she is not the cause of his fornication and thus can be reconciled. The unbeliever goes far away and does not care one way or the other if her husband fornicates, as she does not believe in Gods laws and as far as she believes it makes no difference, as she does not believe in the soul. So wen the unbeliever departs, the man can remarry, otherwise he would have no peace at all.
People who try to forbid you to marry are seducing spirits, predicted for the last days, the cannot speak about the word of God when questioned....
1 Corinthians 7:10 And unto the married I command, YET NOT I, BUT THE LORD, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest SPEAK I, NOT THE LORD: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
Nothing said anywhere in scripture contradicts this truth.
"A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord."1 Corinthians 7
"Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man." Romans 7
Anyone who tries to suggest these verses are not the complete truth on the matter is calling Almighty God a liar.
