Author	Thread: Everyone willing to share they thuoghts
sisygirl View Profile History	Everyone willing to share they thuoghts Posted : 26 Jul, 2014 02:27 AM Is welcome to... How do I make sure that I don't partake in poverty hidden in spiritual focus? How do we bring balance on both our physical and spiritual beings? (by physical i'm not referring to sexual activities) On our previous chat Hidden, initiated by Mabel I mentioned that I'm being warned often by elderly ladies in my church, warned not to consider marrying a fellow in Christ. The ladies warnings are based on a number of reasons that I won't break down and mention one by one, I'll stick to one particular warning that made me compose this post from the first place, inspired by your comments and River on the opening paragraphs I quoted from other conversations not relevant to this one. Poverty/Being irresponsible/not being ambitious is the main issue I seek to find balance in when searching for a life time partner and doing all it takes to keep this experience spiritually and holly. The intention is not to OFFEND or INSULT brothers here but rather seeking advice in how to go about doing this in a Godly manner. The elders concerns are unfortunately true! Most (not all) guys haven't been responsible as husbands and fathers especially in the very house of worship. Posters' wives bear with so much since the brother is more on spiritual matters and neglecting his physical responsibilities. I'm one of the poster's children who doesn't have a good feedback inasmuch as my father keeps getting great complements of how deep and rooted is he in God and spiritual matters. In short there's such disappointment once the lady has joined lives with the brother as husband and wife. Now my question to you sis and River is: How do we keep balance on our spiritual and physical needs and concerns while focusing on investing more on our spiritual beings? These elderly ladies were surely well led through spiritual matters. Isn't this what we need most after all as top of our requirements? Fortunately guys muster this department pretty well though they not as responsible when coming to mustering their physical roles as husbands and fathers, reason being that, "They not of the world. They not seeking after worldly things" Where do we draw the line from a person hidding behind God's word so he doesn't have to achieve and it comes across as being spiritual, and a person whose sincerely seeking after God but doesn't have enough to share with his chosen wife (poverty) and therefore it must be understood that his investing in spirit? Bottom line is there's such lack in the body of Christ and ladies don't really know how to investigate some of these things before committing, especially since there's more emphasy on spiritual matters. How do I make sure that I don't raise my kids in poverty hidden in spiritual matters? Post Reply
sisygirl View Profile History	Everyone willing to share they thuoghts Posted : 26 Jul, 2014 02:34 AM Oh, here are your comments guys: River7 you said: "18, A concrete foundation that has not set properly and had the right amount of cure time will crumble. What ever is built on that bad foundation will fall. It is the same with a relationship even though you are sure it is right, and GOD is at the center. It still has to grow and mature. If you go too fast it will be destroyed and will fail. It fails NOT because it wasn't GOD centered. but The foundation didn't have the time needed to be cured and become rock solid. Whatever is built on a uncured foundation is not solid and won't hold up under pressure." HiddenInHim: "I think the thing to focus on when dating someone is to never ever allow yourselves to be in a situation where either can be tempted into fulfilling the fleshly desires whether it be touching or even looking upon each other in a way that is provocative.. Its important to remain pure of heart in our intentions . Relationships within the christian faith should always focus on God first and friendship second! Sowing towards the spirit and not the flesh is always a good thing!!" Your comments compliment each other very well and are an honest TRUTH, I'm in full agreement in with them! Post Reply
View Profile History	Everyone willing to share they thuoghts Posted : 26 Jul, 2014 09:40 AM I think the key is the guy's character. If someone is genuinely called to the ministry or as a missionary, God will honor his service and provide for that individual and his family. I think of the scripture, "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added unto you." Matthew 6:33. On the other hand, I don't think God will bless someone who is lazy and doesn't make an effort to provide for himself or his family. I think that some might use the excuse that they are too busy pursuing spiritual things to work. In the end, I really think it all boils down to a person's heart and genuineness. Post Reply
Hisjoymypeace View Profile History	Everyone willing to share they thuoghts Posted : 26 Jul, 2014 11:59 AM Joliz.......well said! Post Reply
sisygirl View Profile History	Everyone willing to share they thuoghts Posted : 26 Jul, 2014 12:36 PM "I don't think God will bless someone who is lazy and doesn't make an effort to provide for himself or his family." I'm reminded of a passage that says, "Failer to provide for your family, you're worst than an unbeliever" Then I wonder: How can God entrust you with a ministry, when there's so much self denial you'll be expected to do for the sake of your calling, when you can't reflect Him through your family. Can you be trusted with bigger things (reflecting Him through the community) when despising the little things? Thank you Joliz for time taken in writing back!! Post Reply
river7 View Profile History	Everyone willing to share they thuoghts Posted : 26 Jul, 2014 05:25 PM joliz and mabel are right. This man is not showing love to his wife and family as CHRIST loved the church. His priorities are not correct. It should be 1.his Relationship to GOD 2. his relationship to his wife 3. his relationship to his kids 4. other immediate family 5. ministry to others. The obvious thing is if he struggling and is unable to provide for his family. He is operating outside of GOD, and is doing his ministry in the flesh looking to show everyone how spiritual he is. If he was really doing what GOD wanted him to do, everything would fall into place. GOD would provide everything for him, and his family. He would still have time for his family, and be able to meet all their needs too. Even with all of that, he would still be able to minister to others more effectively. Than when he was trying to do it under his own power. In this case he might end up doing less ministry, but it would be done more effectively. The 1st ones to see the things we are doing the wrong thing in our lives are our closest family members; wife,husband,children, very close friend. When these things are brought to our attention we have a hard time accepting it sometimes, even though it is probably true.We don't see the problem usually as others see it.We might not even be aware that there is a problem in the first place. We therefore have difficulty changing the situation/or behavior when confronted. Often times, we don't believe what they are telling us. The only answer I have as a solution to this problem, is to pray and ask GOD to show them what they need to change and how to accomplish that change. Let GOD do it. If you try to tell them it will only cause hurt,anger,resentment,resistance to change, wounded pride ect. to their feelings and it won't work anyway. I don't know if I answered your question or not. I hope this helps, River Post Reply
river7 View Profile History	Everyone willing to share they thuoghts Posted : 26 Jul, 2014 07:05 PM How not to raise your kids in poverty because of spiritual matters. Look at the man's fruits in his life. If the guy doesn't have a job/career and goals and is unable to meet his own basic needs then how in the world is he going to support a wife let alone the responsibilities of a family? The woman needs to be practical too when seeking a life partner. The guy can come off as MR Spiritual, HOWEVER, if that guy, is not willing or is unable to provide thing that are needed for physical survival then he is not truly ready for a serious/ marriage relationship. He doesn't have his act together he hasn't prepared himself for that kind of situation. Unless the woman is willing to wait for him to get things to together. she needs to forget it and then she should move on. The key is guard your heart so you don't get hurt. Don't commit until you know the practical end too. Even then, don't commit totally, hold back if you can, it is hard to do I know. But it is very necessary, so your are not crushed if things go south. It is a matter of the man's character and honor. The question that the woman must ask herself is: Will Joe Smuckatelli be willing and able to provide for a families needs, wants, and desires in the way I believe they should be cared for? If not then that is a red flag deal breaker for you. Then let the relationship go. Another thing is you the woman need to be as prepared as you can be for a relationship too. How?, well 1. find out who as a woman you are in Christ. 2. Find out who a man should be in Christ. 3. Ask God to show you scriptures as to who you need to be as a wife and mother. 4. Find out who the man should be as a husband and father 5. ask God to show you what it is YOU need to do or can do to be prepared for your future husband 6. Write down what GOD shows you as to what a man should be and what a woman should be in CHRIST and use the knowledge to ask questions of the man and his life style.7.One of the most important things to do is PRAY, PRAY, and PRAY some more in faith believing praying ONE TIME then from that point on you THANK GOD for answering your prayer that is FAITH BELIEF. However, IF you KEEP asking you are expressing your DOUBT BELIEF that GOD didn't hear you the first time.HE DID! so keep thanking HIM until the end of your days not just until the guy shows up. It is an on going praise thing that women need and should be doing but are more than likely are not. I hope this helps to answers your questions. River Post Reply
sisygirl View Profile History	Everyone willing to share they thuoghts Posted : 27 Jul, 2014 09:06 AM Being honest I'm answered River! You've gaven this much thoughts than I expected, Thank you! It's as if you could read my mind when touching the subject of fruits from the guys personal life, let alone the question of continuous prayers on the ladies side. I can't help but wonder what triggers the lady's interest to entrust a man with fruits of her womb while seeing the brother's situation not really inline with God's expectations from the husband. Could it be the question of being well led in bible studies and prayer sessions that causes us to ignore other areas and only focus on spiritual things? Am I saying that guys should be measured by physical materials? Nope! Jacob met Rachel having nothing to present to her but his fathers blessings (which were not tangible); though at the end he had far more enough than he could handle. It think it's a question of how ambitious and hard working one is, cause if Jacob was lazy he wouldn't have worked 7more years to "earn" his wife, let alone further years even after he has earned his wife. His reason for leaving Laban was so he can provide and focus on his family matters. Much appreciation River for sharing your thoughts on this!! :peace: Post Reply
river7 View Profile History	Everyone willing to share they thuoghts Posted : 27 Jul, 2014 11:23 AM Hi your very welcome, glad it helped. The LORD has many, many blessings in store for you. You are to keep yourself at the normal weight for your height not far under it or far over it. Don't worry GOD is there to help you do this. HE wants you to be healthy. But if you are to far under weight that isn't healthy. Neither is being over weight. Neither one is good. My 1st question for you is have you prayed and asked JESUS into you heart? If you have GGGGGRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEAAAt! echo echo echo...If not , I would like to share with you how to do that. The reason I am saying any of this is because on your profile you said you were not sure yet. You need to be very sure who it is you serve.GOD wants you to have that assurance and confidence in your heart.GOD wants you to have a STRONG HEART and a FAITH_FILLED HEART for HIM. As far as the Ladies that tell you not to marry a Christian man, They must not know JESUS very well if at all.Their intentions, I am very sure are good. They just don't understand is all. It is not GOD's way. Therefore, you would be wise not to listen to their counsel or their words, and find a born again Spirit-Filled church to become a part of. In this church you will find other ladies that ARE Spirit--filled and ARE walking with the LORD listen to them and learn from them. Then, after a time, the LORD will use you to teach others about GOD and how to have a GODLY relationship with GOD at the center.This is where you will meet him. REMEMBER GOD LOVE'S YOU! So hang in there. Don't give up or quit no matter what. No matter how hard it gets, because it most assuredly will. However, GOD has you covered. IF your FOCUS is on JESUS your LIFE will never be OUT of FOCUS. hard maybe,difficult at times, but never OUT of FOCUS. and therefore GOOD. Talk to you later, River Post Reply
sisygirl View Profile History	Everyone willing to share they thuoghts Posted : 27 Jul, 2014 02:48 PM Denomination River, Its the denomination part that i'm not very sure off yet, as for being saved.... I CERTAINLY AM! I've received Jesus in 2008, on the 17 January. I get this all the time when partaking on a live chat. People offer to lead me to Christ cause they assume that not being sure of the 'Denomination' means that i'm not yet saved. Can anyone explain to me what does the denomination means? Maybe I do need clarity on this. And thank you dear for the offer of leading me to Christ, can I ask you to do it anyway please if you don't mind please? Surely He won't mind me receiving Him all over aging! As for the ladies continuously warning me, let's just say that I've had my share too. In my early days here I shared a lot about my personal experiences as a poster's child, not very pleasant experiences. It's less to do with their warnings but rather more about my personal encounters and being amazed that we're on the same boat if only people would open up and talk. Post Reply
river7 View Profile History	Everyone willing to share they thuoghts Posted : 27 Jul, 2014 08:30 PM sg to answer your question denomination just means a general type of Christian church like Catholic,or Protestant then under Protestant there is Methodist, (Charismatic, Pentecostal,)They believe in the operation of spiritual gifts of the bible operating today same as bible times such as prophecy, healing, miracles ect. A lot of it can be just emotion,pretense, faked, or used to show how spiritual the person is showing off.(improper use) There are proper and improper ways and times to use them.However, some of it is definitely real when used correctly very effective often time dramatic in results. Other times these gifts can be faked to get money. This is where the gift of discerning of spirits comes in to use. Next question: I knew you were already saved by some of the things that you said and just what I sense about you. So you really don't need to ask JESUS to come in again He is already there. However, you might enjoy finding out about asking the Lord to fill you, baptize you with HIS HOLY SPIRIT. You might need this at some point later in you ministry to others if you haven't yet already done so. The LORD DOESN'T take Salvation away it is a gift that is freely given no strings attached. It is up to the person to keep it or reject it. What kind of church is your dad a leader of? Maybe you could ask your dad to spend some time with you studying the gifts, what they are, and how they are used. Talk to you later. River Post Reply

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