I don't date men who are divorced merely because why should I have to deal with all their baggage of ex-wives when I don't have ex-husbands for you to deal with. I call this out on being what's fair to me.
Sure will get much hate mail on this since ur all divorced from what I can see.
If ur in a bad marriage then get out. People in church try to make you think that divorce is worse than any other sin they act like it's worse than murder and stealing. Divorce is a sin like any other sin and you can be forgiven for such sins. If people really practiced what they preached on board here then they wouldn't be looking for a wife on board here when they are divorced and their ex is still alive. Except for it be in the case where the ex wife is deceased or cheated on you then the bible states u are to remain unmarried. Ur sinning against the bible when ur searching for a wife.
It's wrong to support scripture when it supports ur case and deny scripture when it doesnt support ur case.
I believe that if a man or woman is in any kind of abusive marriage then they need to get out of that marriage pronto. God will forgive them just like he forgave the woman who had 5 husbands. God hates divorce but he never states anywhere in the bible that it's the unforgiveable sin like many of you seem to believe. All sin is sin and can be forgiven if u truly repent.
God never intended for women to be dominated in marriage and have no say. God wants us ladies to be treated like treasures where we submit to our husbands and our husbands submit to us. Where we treat our husbands like gold.
God is a good, just and fair God. He understands if ur going thru hell in ur marriage and will forgive you if u divorce. I love it how people on here are one sided and only support scripture that benefit them. The men just as much as the women have been commanded to be submissive. It's a 2 way street not a one way.
One of you keep making ludicrous remarks to support ur one sided view. Bethsheeba and the women who were married to David were married to a King no other than King David himself. Back in that time u didn't say no to a King if you wanted to live. I'm curious to know if she could've refused him when he wanted to committ adultery with him? Who says no to a King? I do know that she couldn't divorce him and leave or any of his other wives for that matter and expect to live.
We need to get out of an unhealthy marriage where, emotional, physical abuse is taking place. If he's into porn or cheating on you doping it up... drugs and alcohol then get out. He is commanded to love you like Christ loved the church if he's not then get out. God will forgive u divorce isn't the unforgiveable sin.
I don't condone petty reasons for divorce like he got fat on you or has bad habits like drinks from the milk jug and so forth.
i couldnt agree with you more. that goes from the responsible parties ,to the innocent children ,to the families ,to the friends, to the church families.. everyone these people came in contact with and came to know ..they will all feel a hurt from divorce..
divorce is not a pretty thing and should never be taken lightly.
Walter, I kind of noticed you are big on using Strong's #s and therefore the Greek definitions and use of words.
And as 1 Peter 2:18 says, "Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear' and 1 Pe 3:1 says, "Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands," I think you would agree a slave and a wife hold vastly different positions. Seen as a military term a slave would likely be out front while the wife/Queen sits next to her husband the King. Even if the King chooses to enter the battle the queen would be held back and protected. The slave on the other hand would be the first to die. It may be the same word and/or military term but I would point out a wife is not quite on the same level as a slave. Some wives probably think they are. But I don't think you meant it to sound like that. I think that kind of thinking is central to most arguments against "Wives, submitting to the husbands." A wife may be called upon to battle on her husbands behalf spiritually in a time of illness, weakness or discouragement. A wife should not abandon her husband spiritually because he has fallen in battle.
You know the Greek words for divorce?
Matt 19:7 They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?" A biblical divorce had to have two parts. She had to be given a certificate of divorce and be put away. You can say Strong's #630 and #647 mean the same thing but a closer look shows they do not have exactly the same meaning. The most accurate translations have Jesus saying "put away" instead of divorce in all these passages.
Jesus never said a woman that had been put away "AND" given a certificate of divorce would be committing adultery if she married. When Jesus said "You have heard...but I say to you," He was not throwing out Moses or the Old Testament law and replacing it with new commandments. He was talking about the religious leaders of that day i.e. the Pharisees and Sadducee whom He also called a brood of vipers and hypocrites. Jewish cultural history is helpful in understanding what a biblical divorce really is. He was asked what a biblical divorce is and how must it be done according to the law?(Ezra 10:3) (Deut. 24:1-5) She had to be given a certificate of divorce and put away. But a husband can still put away his wife and not give her a certificate of divorce.
The practice continues in Judaism today. Google "Agunah" to find out what it means to be put away but not legally divorced and therefore not free to marry. Your interpretation may define a New Testament "Christian" or "Gentile" divorce and if that works for some people fine. That is a matter of faith. "As you have believed so let it be done unto you" Jesus said to the centurion.
But to call it a biblical divorce IMO we should use the whole bible. After all, it was the Jewish people Jesus was teaching and who understood their culture.
Coincidence, there are also two Hebrew (Old Testament) words, One for divorce certificate and one for put away. And a lawful/biblical divorce had to have both parts.
The woman was called Agunah meaning "chained wife" because she was not given a legal certificate of divorce. She was cast off and not permitted to marry until that hard hearted husband got money or whatever he wanted, to set her free. How many wives have been cast of emotionally or physically and so chained? This is also what it says "God hates putting away" not God hates divorce. A more accurate translation says it is the Man who hates and puts away, describing the very same "chained wife" condition. Bottom line, is women should be treated with kindness and love because that is what they have been created for and not like property to be bought and sold like slaves. :waving:
dear folks, folks dont ya recon we ought to be a lil nicer to our brothers and sisters here? i mean we can all disagree and yet still be nice and courteous to each other.
i understand that different religious views can bring out very passionate responses at times .. i imagine we all can become quite passionate about what we believe at times.. and may step over the line a little bit when it comes to lovin our neighbor as ourselves.. and our beliefs..
the main thing is we need to see that thats not becoming to ourselves or our christian testimony..
we should always speak up when we think someone is teaching what we believe is wrong.. the bible tells us to do so.. but we are to told to teach back in a way that possibly the one percieved to be teachin wrong may can learn from it..and have a change of heart..
if we try to teach in a manner that puts someone else on the defencive .. their minds will never let anything in we teach.. they will shut you out and never take in the importance of your teachings.. therefore it will never sink in..
teach your beliefs and dont make things personal.. thats for the betterment of the ones teaching and those we re tryin to teach.. and for the forums as a whole as well.
Bottom line, is women should be treated with kindness and love because that is what they have been created for and not like property to be bought and sold like slaves.
Sorry, but I wasn't saying that you have to stay in an abusive relationship. You can get divorced/separated...what I was saying is that if you get married again, before your previous spouse dies or is married again themselves(commits adultery), then you're committing adultery yourself. Sure God can forgive you, but that would be like me going around murdering people expecting to receive forgiveness later. That's presumption in a serious way. Murder is sin. Adultery is sin. The bible is pretty clear about what adultery is.
You may have missed the point of what Peter was saying. He was placing the wife on the level as a servant but he was placing the wife under the responsibilty as to deal with suffering under an unsaved Husband who treats her harshly LIKEWISE or just as a servant is badly treated and that they are to endure for the Lord's sake. This is no doubt a very big and tough pill to swallow but it is God's word for Christians.
Regarding Mat 19, well just go over to Mat 5 which is given as doctrine for Christians. Paul says the same things regarding divorce and remarriage.
I am limited to what I can do from my blackberry so I can't paste scriptures.LOL
Yes I do use Strongs but I also read the Greek text to get a better and more clear understanding.
The wife has not been placed on the level of a servant. This word submission is a military term. It would suggest a combined battle plan against a common enimy. You would not bring out the heavy artilery where is could be picked off easily would you? It may be at times the wife serves as the "big guns" in certain situitions. And it is both husband and wives must serve in God's armies.
nice, God can forgive every one, and any sin, but divorce is not a sin, however God can forgive that, but he never said that u can divorce AND be in re marriage, so then re marriage is the problem not the divorce, and its ok if u were re married before u knowing Jesus but after u knew Jesus if u are divorced, then why do u need to look for a women or a men, when God never said that go to look for re marriage? something is that god forgive for example my fornication, but other thing is that god say i forgive u and go ahead to continue with fornication, so think about that guys, blesses
