I feel like I have to keep repeating myself because an individual on here isn't getting it. You know there's always one of those in class....heeeheeee.
These 3 women that I mentioned raised babies without their biological fathers. There is no proof in the bible stating that the biological fathers were there raising their babies. We all know what a biological parent is....correct?
Hope we can get past that now Jimmeny Crickets....Sakes alive....Geeeeee Whiz....:-)
No baby is a mistake, whether it's a slave baby, a Pastor or murderer all babies are created by the will of God. God wouldn't allow a baby to be born that's not his will. God's in control we're not especially when it comes to babies. I'm outraged that anyone on board a Christian website would call a slave baby of God a mistake. That baby Ishmael was anything but a mistake and he was God's will.
Gen 21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, What ails you, Hagar? Fear not, for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is.
18 Arise, lift up the lad and hold him with your hand, for I will make him a great nation.
20 So God was with the lad; and he grew and dwelt in the wilderness and became an Archer.
First, Ishmael was a kid, a lad not a man. Even the Angel of God called the kid a lad not a man. So if you want to deny what the Angel of God called Ishmael then that's on you. Nowhere in these verses does it state that the kid was 13 if that was the case.....in the Angel of God's eyes this was a lad not a man regardless of his age cuz the bible says so. He was relying on his mother to care for him, (not the other way around if he was a man he would've been caring for his mother). Ishmael was a child dependent on his mother caring for him so he wouldn't die. God blessed Hagar by giving her water to save both their lives. If God condemned them he wouldve had them die in the desert which he didn't. He overly blessed them because in vs 18 he tells her he is going to make Ishmael a great nation and vs. 20 God was with the lad. What can be happier for a mom to hear than God is with ur child. Those are the words I crave to hear when I have my baby with this procedure.
Hagar was all alone in the desert being responsible for raising her baby and God had mercy on her and blessed both her and her baby.
We don't worship Mother Mary she was a great woman but a sinner like us all. Mother Mary and Joseph were the number one example of parenting in the bible we must follow since they were the parents of Jesus. Mother Mary never had to marry Joseph she could've raised the baby on her own, but she didn't. That says alot to me that tells me I should find a man that I love to help me raise my future baby just like Mother Mary did. There are beautiful families out there just like Mary and Joseph who stepped up to the plate and parented a child who wasn't their biological kid. It's not wrong to do this and they aren't sinning just like Mother Mary and Joseph weren't sinning. I'm constantly praying that God sends me my husband soon to help raise my baby by this procedure.
No baby is a mistake. Are you saying that Moses and Samuel are mistakes because they didn't have biological parents raising them. How absurd to the contrary these men became great men because God blessed them and didn't condemn them.
So what ur stating is noncompliant because there are numerous of babies who were raised either by no biological parents or one biological parent and God blessed them and didn't condemn them.
Tamar is another one who wasn't condemned by God. If God condemned Tamar he would've had her burnt at the order of Judah but he didn't. The reason is because it was God's will for her to have beautiful twins.
You are wrong to say that Tamar and the twins lived with Judah the bible never states this. That is ur interpretation. What exactly does it mean when it says Judah never knew her again? I believe that means that Judah never had sex with her again. You expect me to believe that Judah is going to care for her and the twins when she tricked him and he's not getting sex. Wrong answer.
If Judah would've accepted Tamar then he would've had sex with her again the bible states clearly he didn't. So believe there is more scripture proving he rejected her instead of accepted her.
What about Tamar stance in this? I believe that she took her babies and ran and raised her babies with others or by herself. Why on earth would a smart woman like Tamar who goes after what she wants stay with a man who lies to her, sleeps with what he thinks is a harlot(herself) and threatens to burn her. She's way savvy and smarter than that. Doesn't make any sense why she would stay with a man she lost all respect for. She just wanted the babies so she took her babies and ran. Also bible never states when she was in labor with the twins there was no mention of Judah being in the picture at all. Usually the bible will state when the men begat children so it's like she's on her own.
Ur theory of happily ever after doesn't hold true because the bible isn't a fairy tale. Face the facts there are many babies in the bible whether you like it or not weren't raised by biological parents and God said it's o.k. cuz he didn't condemn the babies or the parents who weren't biological.
There's also lovely barren Hannah who prayed for a son over and over and finally God answered her prayer. I feel I relate to Hannah the most. How awesome is God cuz not only did he give her Samuel he blessed her with a couple more kids after her. I believe God blessed her favorably because of her unyielding persistence to have a baby and not be barren. Hannah never gave up and pray I can be a 10th of the woman she is because I admire her so much. Hannah kept her word and gave Samuel to a church. So little Sammy was raised in a church with no biological parents and he turned out to be an amazing man who was very blessed by God. Hannah was blessed by giving her child up to be parented by parents who weren't biological. Hannah was blessed for doing this by giving her more kids. We never can understand the perfect will of God. We must accept help when it's offered to us and leave the rest in God's mighty hands.
The bible proved by all these stories and many more that he doesn't care who raises the baby whether it's a single parent, bilogical parent or someone who's not biological. He can bless any baby or parent in this situation as long as you are placing him first in both ur life and ur baby's life.
If you believe that everyone in the bible has both a biological parent and mother then ur reading a different bible than the Holy Bible. Even Jesus himself had a father who wasn't biological raise him. Be a man face the bible facts.
Trust in Jesus.
Gbu
Kimberly:-)
His own mother refers to him as a boy not a man in verse 16.
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Such a sickening double standard.
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Wait...didn't the administrator just "flame" someone? :ROFL: Sorry cattle...I still think you're good dude. And I also believe having children out of wedlock is wrong. In order to have a child out of wedlock you have to engage in sinful behavior first. That is not the child's fault, but to say that God is going to sanction fornication is wrong. Sin is not God's will. How would that be possible? Anyway...circumstances in the bible are not always clear. Maybe these single parents asked forgiveness, maybe there were circumstances beyond their control and God overlooked it...but I'd have a hard time believing that God wanted these children born outside of a family that He designed. He may allow it because of our free will and plan for it through foresight and bless the parties involved...but I do not think He makes it happen. That would make God a tempter and a hypocrite.
the only reason that the admin had to even say anything to you at all was because you were being insulting and name calling and spreading slanderous and defamating myself here.
when youve beeen asked over and over and over again to please stop said actions that are clearly written in the rules here..
even when you was insulting me so bad i never in turn turned around and started insulting you back. i only asked you to stop and asked you a question or two..
then you have to say that you are fine with it long as everyone plays by the same rules.. well brother you was the only one breaking the rules in the first place.. thats why they was speakin to you..
and now you are speakin ill of the administration here..
ill tell you one thing this admin is the best and fairest one ive ever been around.. theyve given people alot more chances to stop and do right than anyone else ive ever been around.. they dont wanna loose people.. but sometimes they have to .. but its not because they targeted anyone.. its because the people have been asked numerous times to stop their actions and just use the forums as they are meant to be..
its called accountablity by the members here.. its not the admins fault that folks cant or wont stop breaking the rules here.. its the members who continue to do so s fault..bottom line.
