Eph 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
I'm bored with my last post it's reaking in waaaayyyyy too much legalism. I can smell the stench from here.
Are there any real men out there? An Eph 5:28 man is who I'm searching for that's the kind of man I will follow his lead because he's submitting to me and Im submitting to him. We're both submitting and loving each other.
Men who lead by setting the example of loving their wives like Christ loved the Church won't have to demand, beg and plead for a woman to submit to them.
The ladies will jump at the opportunity to submit to a man of this obedience to the bible.
LadyT... I have a different opionion than what you've posted, but I know I can't get you to agree with me or the others' who've posted over various threads in the past. All I know is that God's Word is true. Once before, in another thread authored by you I wrote for prayer that God protect and cover you through all you're doing and your plans. That is my prayer today still.
There is much scripture that has been passed on about what seems right to us but leads to something else... sometimes nothing that we anticipated...even death.
I think there are many "real" men out here. God gives those of us spiritually discerning women in "God's truth" the ability to know we're looking at one. Now, the Eph 5:28 man has got to be built up so that he's also spitirually discerning enough to know when he's got a "Godly" woman, strong in Gods' Word and "ready" to submit, SO I think he's looking at us women too with piercing eyes.
Anyway, I think we're all different, but there is only one God, and there is only one "right" way for God's blessings in relationship.
Before my wife died, we didn't have the boss problems. I didn't push her around. It is supposed to be a leadership thing.
The man and woman are designed different and when the two become one, they get an advantage.
I was a member of a famous church and the pastor resigned because it came out that he was having an affair with one woman who was 28 and it started when she was 15. There were other women too. One of the elders told the church at a meeting that his wife had told him that she felt that something was wrong. He didn't listen. Look who was right.
1CO 11:11 In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.
I observed ur wordsmithmanship--->translates to how u word things love it!!!! U had me out loud.
Engage brain before open mouth is classic. What happens if ur the Scarecrow and haven't gotta brain? Hmmmmmmmm????? Heeeheeeheee.
Say since ur in Alaska and ur state is known to have more men than women..... Why don't u spread the word with them that all of us lovely ladies are waiting for them right here on this site. I see Palin snatched herself up a hunky Alaskan Stud.
Gracie Mae thankx for ur comments and prayers and Im praying for u too sister.
Ur right we disagree but that's ok. I know what I believe and you know what u believe we are just sharing our different views and thats what a forum is for to begin with. Right?
Would i be correct that you are making this accusation against me? Please have the courage to admit it if this is so.
Your words: "Saddens me that only one Ephesians man agreed that he is.
I've came to the conclusion that the majority of the men on this forum are one sided and are on here looking for a Christian woman they can dominate not love and cherish. The men here are one sided and think the woman is only suppose to submit to them but they don't have to submit to their women.
I guess it makes since a man who wants a slave as a wife is going to prey on Christian women cuz he knows most of them will keep forgiving him and putting up with his sorry butt.
I won't tolerate weak neanderthol men such as that.
I will settle for no less than a man who submits to me as much as I submit to him.
WALTER: First off Kimberly, there are many men on here that are godly and understand full well what it means to be an Ephesian man per se. I am one of them. I have never said nor believe that a woman is to be a slave of her Husband. Please show me where I said that. You are either ignorant of what I said or you are intentionally maligning what I said since it was my post that brought up the issue that GOD through Peter addressed regarding wives submitting to their husbands AS servants are to be towards their masters. This was regarding a woman married to an NON-Christian man. If you are ignorant that is one thing but to intentionally malign someone is nothing short of bearing a False Witness against another. That my dear Sister is a sin.
I don't care if you disagree with me theologically but at least have the respect and decency to not assassinate my character by bring a false accusation against me.
Additionally, please demonstrate with scripture why you believe something. You said that a man is to submit to you just as much as you are to submit to him. Do you have a scripture to support your desire?
Here is a scripture that deals specifically with the relationship between the Husband and Wife. Let me in CAPS give emphasis to some key words YOU should be carefully heading. These are GOD's words for us and please don't even try your "legalistic claims" to these or their application.
Eph 5:22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, AS TO THE LORD.
So Kimberly if you ever get married, GOD commands that you submit to your husband AS TO THE LORD. You are to submit to your husband JUST AS you are suppose to submit to Christ our Lord. This is something you must do all on your own and of course this does not mean that your husband should hold this over you. It is something that must come from you because you are WILLING to submit to God.
23 FOR THE HUSBAND IS THE HEAD OF THE WIFE, AS ALSO Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
24 THEREFORE, JUST AS the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
Please chew on that for a while. Let it sink in. Do you think you have that capability to do this? If you don't then do not expect that God will bless you with a good godly Husband. God is saving His best for His best. By the way Kimberly, the wife's part in submitting is unconditional. In other words it is not contingent upon the man loving her AS Christ loved the Church. How do we know this. Simple grammar of the text and also due to Peter's sermon about wives submitting to their UNGODLY husbands who treat them harshly. Your argument is with GOD my dear not with me and if you accuse me of being legalistic then you also accuse GOD because HE is the one who had these scriptures written. Was GOD wrong or are you just too rebellious to surrender your will to God's?
Now for the men of God.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
This is a sacrificial kind of love and a great responsibility.
26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,
27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.
28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself.
29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
31 "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH."
32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Both Husbands and Wives have specific roles and responsibilities and each one should be surrendered to GOD's will and be willing to do AS God commanded.
You know what this all boils down to my Friends?
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.
John 15:9 "As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
If you are truly a Christian and truly love Christ and God the Father, then you WILL keep HIS (Christ's ) Commandments. Ephesians passage is a commandment!
I have reread my last post.I may not have made myself understood well enough.The woman I read about was the writer of the article telling how she got saved.She was a liberal spy who got saved.I was just repeating her testamony.Also, I made no accusations just feeling someone out.I was testing the waters.
Sometimes you really do wonder about someone and need to ask.
How many people questioned Paul you think?See my point.Paul killed christians and had to flew after conversion to a safe place. Did Paul take offense and ignore those who questioned him for killing their relatives? NO!!!! A little fire gets you all worked up.
If someone disagrees with you they are legalistic for quating scripture .Jesus did that all the time.
Grace is not an excuse to do what we want to do.This is for everybody.We are still to obey the laws.Knowing we will be forgiven when we do break them.Life is not all a bed of roses.
We are not to expect all good things.How we deal with the bad really decdides if you are a believer.Everyone is here for the good times.When bad times come you learn who the real chritians are.
How may early beievers were killed for the faith????
just how this post has developed, is why i don't say anything on her posts. it's always a given that there will be no good, or decency in them. Respect for others, and maturity is what makes most of the posts on these forums enjoyable, interesting and helpful. But if you're here just to 'rattle some cages' or 'start something' well, sorry, i have a life. Personal insults, sarcasm, and passive agressive insinuations serve no purpose. Let's all have some class.
Walter has made some rather excellent points -- about wives and husbands submmitting.
Kimberly is hard headed (my opinion) and somewhat narrow-visioned (also my opinion), but this is a "kick" and a "hoot" discussing all this.
I gaurantee that if Kimberley found that man that made her knees weak...she'd submit everything she has...until he died to soon! :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
Seriously...she's the sister that keeps the "kettle" boiling. Never a dull moment and personally...I can't change the channel. It's like a "soap opera" that I want to see what happens next.:winksmile:
See...she's moved on to spread her joy and wisdom.
Oh...Ephesian's Man! How old are you? You submit first! Wipe your feet!
The last thing THIS thread needs is another two feet to it; but I'd like to add my half inch. We are teachable when we are meek. Some of us are clearly having some very tough perhaps long-term discouragements relationally in the "family", me included.
We need the Honey Bears Ole Cattles to keep on reminding us that we all need to sweeten our words enough that Jesus would be proud to read what we have written. And in that vein, Sir Archi, these weren't your finest contributions. You need a hug . . . or two . . . or twelve.
out loud.