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Posted : 13 Nov, 2009 11:10 PM

I believe on some level or another life is inherently conflicting and contradictory. And yet since we do exists (or some variant of "I think and therefore I am", etc) perhaps in an attempt to remain functionally sane most of us simply choose to find whatever it is that 'works for us' (whether it be science, religion, spirituality, worldly pursuits, beauty, love, relationships, etc) and to seek some sort of comfort, solace, absolution and deliverance with a particular 'object' that we hold with dear reverence in our mind's eye. Yet there is a sense that nothing really gives us genuine permanent satisfaction for an indefinite period of time.. It seems like even the greatest things (such as the most perfect loving relationship, the ultimate spiritual experience, the highest most beautiful aspects of life and light, etc) and most profound experiences are in the end nothing more than mere arbitrary placeholders that diverge to infinite regress in a self-similar self-referential circular manner.. The restless mind always seeks to find something to do.. We want what we want until we achieve it and then the mind (being the racing and restless nature that it is) compels us to move on to the next goal or objective in life and to experience new stimulating experiences and makes us appear like the hedonistic slaves that we really are.. Seldom do we even stop to emotionally relish our recent achievements! Naturally over time we adapt and become desensitized to what we are familiar with or what we see or do everyday.. Eventually and inevitably we derive less and less enjoyment and pleasure from whatever activities that used to make us happy and when marginal utility reaches zero we automatically seek out other newer, different, or more exotic ideals, believes, experiences, relationships, etc.. Likewise, and at the same time, these "other experiences" (insert whatever it is you try to refrain from indulging in..) only become more attractive over time when the rarity or "forbidden" status gains an irresistible appeal over us... So if there is not any one 'thing' (one emotional state, one belief, one relationship, one significant other, etc) that can provide us with ultimate everlasting happiness achieved in but a single moment.. then what is it all about? Is it about finding an equilibriumized balancing-point in the optimization of the different aspects of life? Why do we humans seek unity and yet crave diversity at the same time? We want to dedicate our entire lives to one belief, or cause (science, religion, career, etc) and/or to one person (soulmate, perfect love, marriage, happily ever after, etc) and yet even when/if we actually get what we want... over time it never seems to be psychologically "enough".. Even for those of us who say we want the truth, in reality we always wish for more, we want something better than what actually IS. Thus we make rules just to break them, we build walls just to tear them down, but yet without rules and without this 'structure' we'd all simply go insane! How can we re-normalize these irreconcilable and seemingly intractable and divergent compulsions? What happened to that fountain where supposedly you drink once and never again become thirsty? or is the cyclical satisfaction of desires intrinsically meaningful in and of itself?



There is something about human nature that is inherently hypocritical, contradictory, paradoxical and full of strife, turmoil, confusion and conflict.. almost like these things are ingrained into the very fabric of our flawed existence.. I could give plenty of examples, stories, analogies and allegories but being that this is a dating site forum I'll stick to something most here can related better with.... I can certainty attest to the fact that the male gender values physical feminine beauty (to distinguish from inner beauty of personality) to the extent of forsaking and marginalizing nearly everything else.. We are instinctively hardwired to equate physical attractiveness (aesthetic symmetrical features, etc) to 'value' and equity in a relationship, etc and any guy who doesn't agree with me is simply fooling himself.. You can run but you can not hide from who you really are.. In today's society we are constantly bombarded with the subliminal and all too politically/socially correct message of "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".. but no amount of this collective self-brainwashing really changes anything.. Objective physical beauty is just as valued as it ever was.. beauty does matter, and despite what we'd like to fool ourselves into believing.. love (chemistry and romance) is not an "equal opportunity" type of thing.. we judge a book by its contents and its cover. - this works both ways for both genders. Regardless of our leanings towards science or religion, the act of falling in love/lust exists in a realm and domain of its own right, outside of both the strictly logical and the supremely spiritual.



There is a myth that men only want sex and women (being the supposedly fairer gender) really just want 'love'.. This stereotype and sweeping generalization is not even remotely accurate. Both genders want the softer more gentle and loving aspects of a relationship (though it is true that estrogen infused women are much inclined to it than their testosterone pumped counterparts..) as well as the more direct, primitive, primal and lustful acts of physical intimacy.. (in fact in many sexual ways the two genders are much more similar than they are different..) So in essence women want 'sex' just as much as men do (and for the same pleasurable reasons) but just in a different superficially surface way. Likewise they are as swayed by beauty (or rather 'handsomeness') as are men hypnotized by an alluring specimen of the opposite gender. This is nothing "wrong" with this, but it becomes rather awkward when we try to deny it or the more demure individuals pretend it doesn't even matter. Another thing is a lot of the profiles of woman on here have remarks that they want to find a Christian (or religious) "leader".. And its not just on an online site, this happens in 'real life' all the time as well.. Women like competitive ambitious men (just like men like graceful elegant looking woman) regardless of what ideology they prescribe to. Here the worldly leader has been recast-ed and transmutated into a spiritual leader, but its nothing more than simply two sides of the one same coin.. Likewise Godly righteous men on here still would like (all else being equal) to find the prettiest face that they can have. Secular or nonsecular I think this just goes to show that the underlying nature of the human condition does not and cannot (and probably should not) really change on a fundamental level.. (or.. what about the fallacy that if we 'love' someone we would/should never 'cheat' on them? what exactly does 'love' have to do with 'sex'? sure biologically they are simply different means to the same end but qualitatively the corresponding neural correlates of consciousness are entirely different and different layers/regions of the brain are responsible for these different emotions, so if we take them as isolated components then there is no trouble, but when we mistakenly believe love correlates with sex and try to incorporate them as one entangled entity that is when all the problems crop up..)



Intuitively we all know what we want (or rather what/who we can obtain).. We all know what qualities we have and what we can get/trade with that purchasing power (as unromantic as it sounds, too much of life does follow an equation/economics..) Ultimately what makes any relationship work in the long term is core compatibility in areas that matter the most, and complementary or supplementary traits, and personality attributes in other areas where being "opposite" is attractive. This can be as simple or as complex as we each want to make it, but I think in the end it reduces down to "compatibility threshold".. People usually end up with others of similar social economical backgrounds, similar physical attractiveness levels, similar intellect, and personality.. We want someone like us, someone we can relate to and empathize with.. someone who makes us truly happy. So then perhaps in the end it all boils down to a search problem, in the sense that even qualities and essences as seemingly 'high and noble" as the ethereal, enchanting and ineffable experiences of "true love" can be reduced to a mere "search problem".. and in a sense that IS what everyone here is hoping to accomplish right? to search (or rather to find and to enjoy) someone 'right' for them?! After all, everything else that we do in life all sums up to this same teleological means to an end - the enjoyment of the different impressions of pleasures of life itself..



And yet in another sense it is truly all very vague, gray, arbitrary and 'random'.. Who we meet (regardless of whether it is online, offline, etc) and who we end up with is largely a function of luck, chance, timing, geographical location and our own social circles/realms.. There are SO many people in this world that there simply HAS to be tens of thousands (perhaps even more) of other people 'out there' somewhere .. who if we would have met under the right circumstances a friendship, or even lasting lifelong relationship could have formed.. So the 'potentiality' is functionally limitless.. As idealistic as it is to envision some sort of hypothetical or abstract theoretical 'archetype' of the 'perfect relationship' or the 'one' for us.. eventually 'potentiality' has to give way to something more 'concrete and tangible' .. we have to 'settle down' with someone 'good enough' that just so happens to be the physical (or near equivalent) embodiment of the man or woman of our dreams.. We need it (him/her) to be 'someone', to be actualized and real so that we can be beheld at last..



And yet (and yet) it is never really about that actual "person" either, is it? Our judgment and evaluation of relationships are always in retrospect and done 'after the fact'.. When it doesn't work out we console ourselves by pretending to know that all along "it wasn't meant to be anyway".. And when it does work out we say "I told you so" like appealing to some dyadic anthropic principle.. Even in cases where we fall in love and stay in love what happens if our partner dies in a tragic accident or is consumed by a fatal illness? Sure we'd mourn the loss and need time to heal and come to terms with everything.. but eventually as a human being and as part of life and nature we'd 'move on' and find something else to replace that aspect of our lives that was abruptly taken away from us.. we'd find another human being to love us and fulfill our physical and emotional needs and wants.. this is all a part of life, and living and being alive ... This is natural and appropriate and acceptable, but yet it goes to show not only the fragility and impermanence of life but also its arbitrariness in that no one person is ever irreplaceable.. not to society, not to our communities, and not even to the one we hold closest and most dear to our hearts. In every sense of the analysis we are just mere numbers, statistics, labels, placeholders, instantiations and convenient physical approximations and representations of other people's projections and ideals - and vice versa. It is difficult enough to make sense of beauty, love, sex, romance, life, etc even when one reduces the problem down to a mere 'biological' level - it becomes altogether impossible to deal with when one tacks on superfluous fluffy layers of rhetorical extensions such as the whole biblical "virginity", "no divorce", "til death do us part", and "afterlife" concepts.. So what happens when a spouse dies and the other one remarries and has more children, how does one sort out the family relationships in 'heaven' or who is who's wife/husband - or is it too 'resolved' by a magical wand waving by the invisible hand of God as well?



So you see, it really isn't ever about any one particular person (or as special or as distinct as romantic partners or star crossed lovers would be predisposed to hastily make such lofty and flowery proclamations..) but it is about our own needs, wants, and desires being met, and so we simply attempt to foray out there to find someone that can be that particular expression for us and it is a relationship of mutual symbiosis and limbic resonance, physiological regulation, etc... We want to fall in love with the process (or ideal) of falling in love much more so than actually being with any one person.. they are simply a projection and representation of all that we want and hope for.. and yet we need someone to fit that role, and when we grow emotionally attached and codependent on them we think to ourselves that this person is the most special person in the world.. so here too there is a paradox between subjective and objective reality, in essence when we are in love (or infatuation) we often can't see things quite clearly. And yet seeing 'clearly' is often boring.. we live and die for an emotion, for the way things, people, and relationships make us feel about ourselves, others and the world. The only thing is that feeling doesn't last forever. Human nature is fickle.



But does getting who we really want (or who is really good for us) make us perpetually satisfied and happy? We are flawed and yet we try to be perfect!? The divorce rate is 50%+ and yet everyone goes into a marriage thinking it will last, thinking it is exactly what they want.. probably very few newlywed couples stop to think that there is a 50% chance THEY will be another statistic - I guess this shows how naive most people really are.. After a lifetime of being together and seeing one another each and everyday, doesn't the sweetest intimacy lose its fragrance? it's almost inevitable that even 'soulmates' eventually need their own space to pursue their own hobbies, interests, etc..? It seems like people often set themselves up for failure and disappointment, and yet what better alternatives or options are there? We can't have the sweet without the bitter, the good without the bad!



The irony is if life is not really about adhering to any steadfast rule (whether biblical, societal, moral, or even self-imposed) or structure and instead should be about just doing whatever it is that makes us the most happiest at that particular point in time.. this would be all fine and dandy if it wasn't the for reality of the fact that at one or more of these all inclusive 'points in time' we just so happen to also want to give ourselves completely to one person, one relationship, one emotional state of being.. and yet it doesn't last forever because at other juxtaposed and different discrete "points in time" we often want something very different or something else totally altogether.. and when we try to unify these as one concept they contradict and our coveted worldviews fracture and break apart.. We cannot simply enumerate, rank, prioritize, hierarchize or standardize/normalize all the distinct qualitative feelings in life.. Yet society, culture, and many institutions and religions keep telling us that we SHOULD be able to.



It seems like there is no real way to re-normalize, unify, reconcile or come to terms with all the different, distinct and divergent (often conflicting and contradictory) experiences, emotions, sensations, qualia, wants, needs, desires, etc in life.. And yet here we are.. existing in a largely arbitrary, relativistic, and senseless world where not only are we perpetually flawed but to add to that flaw we (perhaps incorrectly) believe we can become more perfect.. and so perhaps the only thing that is real and unchanging is this paradox of life that we find in ourselves and in all of the totality of existence. In a universe that is seemingly governed by logic perhaps it is actually 'contradiction' (the impossible, magic, miracle, abracadabra, the unknown, etc) that gives rise to 'existence' at all!?

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2009 02:55 PM

Jesus spoke to us in a simple manner.

I am a follower of Jesus because he died on the cross for my sins.This is easy to understand.Simple everyday talk.No out of the world facts beyond the common persons knowledge.Speak to the common person where hey are not with massive intellect.

Likeulot are you a follower of jesus?

Simple yes or no !!!!!!!

Do you believe in god? Yes or no

Keep it simple.Quating college text books you know that the normal person has never study has every one lost.

Yes or no is a straight answer.

No sugar coating just give me a plain answer.

Why would a unbeliever want a christian wife?

Are you saying there is no god?

I read your post and do not understand them.

I talk to you in everyday language give me the same courtesy.

Thanks,Dennis

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2009 07:18 PM

dgrimater,



I didn't mean to ignore you the first time around.. so here is my reply to your questions..



You : "Jesus spoke to us in a simple manner."



- yeah well, I'm not Jesus. And neither did he actually speak to YOU. His words were passed down orally and wasn't transcribed until much later on.. The passing down of oral histories quickly turn into hearsay and accuracy is inevitably lost during transcription. You also need to remember the English bible you are reading has been translated from Hebrew (or is it Greek? anyway..) and the subtle nuances are always lost during translation across languages as well.. So even if Jesus did exists and he was the son of God (again making the assumption that God is real..) who knows what were his exact words and thoughts?



He spoke 'simply' because he was catering to the lowest common denominator, this was so he could get a more massive following..



You: "Likeulot are you a follower of jesus?..

Do you believe in god?"



- the short answer would be 'no' on both accounts..





You: "Why would a unbeliever want a christian wife?"



- who said I was here for a christian wife? Labels mean nothing. Just because I'm not a Christian and aren't really looking for dating doesn't mean I can't be on a Christian dating site..



Hope that answers your questions.

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2009 09:45 PM

So why are you here Brother? If you seek not a Christian wife, you believe not in God or the Son of God, why then ARE you here?



It seems evident to me that you feel you have all the answers to the questions already, so you are here why?



It seems you have great pride in your intellect, and you believe that works for you. I presume you are happy with this as you seem? So, you are drawn here because.......?



Doesn't seem to me that you are here to learn anything from us, as you think our thought process is wrong.



So why are you here?



The only reason I can see is that somehow flexing your intellect around people you feel are somehow inferior to you makes you feel better about yourself somehow.



Please correct my, in simple terms if I am wrong, for I am but a simple Christian woman with no impressive degrees or anything, and it would be socially rude to grind me further into the ground beneath your feet if I could not possibly understand your answer.



I must admit I have tried several times to read your long works here, and they are simply out of my league completely. So please do tell us why you ARE here, as it does not seem to be for the reasons the rest of us are here.



Thank you, Brother.



Tarasye

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Posted : 20 Nov, 2009 10:05 PM

It's not about intellect at all.. The whole purpose of my original post(s) is that I felt I wanted to convey the sentiment that regardless of what we each use to explain our own reasons or ways of life.. nothing really works..



I haven't found a satisfactory answer / meaning to life yet, or even so much as a simplistic emotional experience that 'conquers all'..



You work at a prison don't you? Good and bad are relative labels.. Anyone can be a 'criminal' and we are all capable of breaking a vast multitude of 'laws'.. There used to be a law in the US not that too long ago that it was illegal to teach an African American how to read.. Now there are anti-discrimination laws that guard against the exact opposite thing..



The laws of man are arbitrary and they change with the times and what society itself deems "acceptable".. In truth there is no absolute authority over right and wrong, laws mean nothing but we do have to abide by them or suffer the very real consequences from our actions. A governments illegitimacy stems from its monopoly of violence. It only has as much power as its constituent members give it. This whole 'democracy', 'social contract' thing is never perfect, the model and system is never fair, but it is the best we can do.. A lot of things are arbitrary and vague, but as a society we have to take a stand somehow and draw a line somewhere otherwise there is no social contract and everything falls apart.. Yet this doesn't make anything perfect or even 'right'..



A lot of things in life don't make sense at all. And the more I think about it the less sense it makes. That was the point of my message, not to give or take advice on anything, but to express and acknowledge all the confusion, turmoil, conflict and contradictions and strife of life.

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2009 12:19 AM

okay, yeah, and still, you have not answered even one of my simple questions brother.



Where our belief system comes from everyone makes mistakes, but all that chaos and confusion does not come from God, it comes from His enemy who has a purpose to deceive to kill and destroy.



But if you do not believe in these things and you are not here to seek a Christian wife, then why ARE you here???



Tarasye

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2009 01:42 AM

Ouch, I'm getting a headache by this long post of yours Mr.Like.



Sorry to say I agree to all my brothers & sisters here.And also I'm asking you the same question, why are you here?



Peace be with you Mr.Like!!!



ISAIAH 55:11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2009 01:50 AM

Congratulations, you are a fool thinking you are wise. "The fool has said in his heart,�There is no God.�Psalm 14:1

But the paradox is foolishness and wisdom.



"The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know."1 Corinthians 8:2



And there is a reason you cannot understand the things of God.



"These things we also speak, not in words which man�s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one."1 Corinthians 2:13-15



You cannot understand the things of God for they are spiritually discerned.The only way to know God is when He reveals Himself to you. God is a God of revelation. There is no way for you to know this without God's Spirit inside you.

I'll warn you though, you may want to run when it starts. But by coming here you risk being prayed for by everyone that reads your posts. And they will pray God reveals Himself to you in a way you know it must be God. And there is power in their prayers because

"God has given us a Spirit of Power, Love and a sound mind." 2Tim 3:6

Reading the Bible effects the mind. But God wants more than just your mind. He wants to enter your heart. And when that happens you will know because...



"...you have an unction from the Holy One, and you know all things." (1 John 2:20)



and "the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things,

1Jo 2:27.



Cognitive ability measured on an IQ scale can help head knowledge/understanding but I have found no better subject to dedicate myself to than helping others know God. You are such a fool. :waving:

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2009 05:14 AM

O Boy! ILike, you've stirred up a hornets nest or as you would say:

a pocketlike, usually more or less circular structure of twigs, grass, mud, etc., formed by the genus Vespa, often high in a tree, as a place in which to rear its young...blah...blah...blah.

Well, my friend -- the mask is off and we get to see who is underneath. I thought you looked familar. We have faced each other before. The same glazed stare, devoid of the barest spark of a soul.

I thought the last time would have been enough for you.

Tell everyone your real name and why you are amongst us or shall I?



속하는 무슨이 신에 만지지 말라

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Posted : 21 Nov, 2009 06:12 AM

dear folks, it seems mr like does not have a popular belief here..and he never will but still no need to call him names..



instead you show him love..compassion and mercy same as weve all been given.. less he becomes way out of line speakin to folks here..

remember we dont shut the church doors on the lost, just cause theyre lost..



he is definitely on the wrong side of the good LORD here.. this is true.that puts him in a dangerous place id say.. but anyone can change at anytime.. pray for him to see the light.. and come to know JESUS as his personal SAVIOR.. pour out scripture to him.. let it speak to him... plant a good seed . thats all we can do..



also it is well to remember that sometimes folks know what theyre doin and just like to stir the pot so to speak.



it also seems that arch has seen this act before.. that should tell you alot.



prayin now..



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Posted : 21 Nov, 2009 08:32 AM

likeulot it is not too late.I was not a christian at one time in my life.You have a choice.Do you want to be a christian?

Do you want jesus in your life?

By reading christian books like you said in your profile god is speaking to you.

Try a local church.

Give it a try for awhile.

Let the pastor know you are an unbeliever who is curious.

Most pastors will be more than willing to talk to you as a friend.

Jesus died to save us from are sins.

He wants to be your friend.

Jesus wants all of us to go to heaven.

Your friend in christ,Dennis

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