Please bear with me sir, a lot of questions i'm gonna dirrect them to you specifictly. Must admit you're the reason I joined this dating site, I recall I bored, lonely for compony, just browsing through the internet, then I came across this chatt room were your replies were just too profound, wisdom filled & the sesnse of matuarity was just apilling.
I looked forth to challenge you, to argue in a healthy manner, to agree, to disagree, to learn etc
Maybe this I need to clearify so you don't wonder why am I always on your case with questions.
My qustion is inspired by the book of Ruth (its a very short passage that one can finish reading within about an hour) though one can never claim to finish the bible, cause God"s word is alive & new every morning.
Nonetheless
I'm amazed at the power of unity (since it took Ruth & Naomi to team up & work together in winning over the heart of Baoz)
I'm also picking the power of women in influencing things to better serve her motives.
Must say i'm really glad that Ruth was never taken advantage of when she went & uncovered Baoz & lie down at he's feet after Baoz had eaten & drunk , when reading the whole chapter 3. (that was quit a move, must have taken her a lots of courage to pull that one off)
Eventually she finally was married to Baoz just as she desired. (there's a lot to take inn when reading this passage)
The main question is (taking from this scripture)
Is it a woman's place to initiate?
Cause one can say she reflacted herself kinder cheap, considering that she even went in bed with Baoz, when he was not even awear that she was around.
I've been pondering on this verse for a while now, just amazed at woman's power of influence.
So you are here dear daughter of God asking questions and sharing of your heart and life to others in a good way. It is my understanding that our God will bring a godly man to invite you in His timeing. When this happens you will be prepared to follow and submit your life to this man with confidence and safety.
Wherever you go we men are watching and searching. It might be that God first has to give your man a vision of you that is not of this world. He had to do this with me and my bride.
Men look on the outward but God looks on the heart. Sadly to say we men are superficial and have to gain the heart of God to see a good godly woman.
"I couldn't help myself but to go read this passage"
Don't worry friend I expected as much, i'm sorry though that i've caused you to diviate from your personal bible study, which currently is the book of Isaiah. Can't say enough how greatful I am seeing you taking time to keep writting back to me, when there's so many responsibilities for you to meet.
I must be honest, I had to go read the passage again after i've rad through your resent answers & believe me this story gave me a whole new pespective & revelation now than before you've answered.
I really understand your point now looking at the interaction between both genders (Ruth & Boaz)
& the natural respond to each other as both parties take their place. Let's first look at Baoz:
You're certainly right when saying he was the first to show interest to Ruth, seeing that he has already made he's reseach about the lady in verse11, "It has been fully reported to me, all that you've done for your mother in law...."
2, The man's natural charector to protect instantly manifested. Verse9 "Have I not commanded the young men not to touch you?" he's already securing he's territory.
3, Man's nature of leadership took place in verse8,
"You will listen my daughter, will you not...?"
4, Man's place to provide, chapter3:11
""And now my daughter do not fear. I will do for you all that you request...." verse15,
"...Bring the shawl that is on you and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six ephahs of barely, and laid it on her."
On your previous answer when expressed your personal point of view before reading the passage, you said "We men in our pride or is it just me. I have found difficulty in being considered bride of Christ"
To add on what you've said, cause you've answered your self after saying this, (adding to your answer)
This is where a woman comes in place in a man's life. God appointed us helper cause He knew that man will struggle to submit, since he's a leader himself. God knew that you needed demonstration through us ladies, of what submission really is. Just as a woman inlove would seek/long after her husband, that's how you guys should seek/long after Christ.
Just as its in our nature to take intructions from you guys, God expects a man to submit to He's instructions. As if that's not enough, God carries on & say "If a man fails to fulfill he's duties to he's wife, if he hurts he's wife, he's prayers won't be listened to by God, He'll block him" can't recall now where did I find this passage in the bible.
Inclosure of the first part about Baoz reflacting a man's nature in respond to a woman's affection,
You're 100% right dear when saying "We, weman have double portion of protection, from you guys & from God above" Seeing that not even your prayers will be listened to when abusing us.
Now looking at a woman's respond to a man's seed planted when persuing her (not really saying this is a fomuler of how we should always respond, events are always unique, guys approach us uniquely, just as our ways of responds are different as individuals ladies)
Based on Ruth reflacting a woman's respond:
(By the way I must admit that I fully understand you & agree with you friend, i'm highligting & anyalysing your words that have impacted your reply to my question)
On this one you really were personal with me, in a sence that you've answered questions i've always had within my self about submission. You said (on one of your first massages before reading the passage)
"....I truly believe that woman should find a man she can cheer for. When you find one, who looks like the man going into the dirrection that you want, cheer for him in this"
By saying this, I felt a sence of responsibility since i've been wondering what if in a long run in a relationship, I notice that my partner orders/commands me to things that are not inline with God's word? "will I cooperate?" I asked myself
cause its sinful to God when a woman won't submit to her husbend, its not a question of Him (the husband) causing her to submit to unGodly matters, (he however will have to account for he's behavior, since God entrusted him with leadership in a family) Its more of a woman failing to keep up with God's principles & instructions about a woman's place.
You've just answered this question which I had for a long time now. When saying "its our responsibility to find a Godly man to submit to" inshort I'm picking a crutial role from both genders here, with Man:
Responsibility of finding a Godly wife what will better teach you how to submit to God while learning from her when submitting to you. She'll be your practical example on a day to day on how you too should surender yourself to God. (us being helpers as your wives guys)
Likewise with the woman taking Godly instructions from the husband who seeks from God, so her marriege life is well pleasing to God. Thank you so much friend for this answer!
Refering to Ruth, she was more than willing to listen when asked to do somethig by Boaz, trusting that he's a man of God, whose looking out for both parties best interest in serving God while enjoing their life together. She had so much confidence in him that she even risked sharing bed with Boaz, knowing that he won't hurt nor hurm her in anyway possible.
Much appologies if/when offended you in any way while quarting your words in showing how I think I understood you.
This takes me back to a former topic that was once asked by Jesuslover (if I got her name right) about weman being too choosy. We really should be, there's so much to consider when choosing a life time partner.
Can't emphasize enough how heathly was this conversation with you, i'm so glad it came forth, learned so much.
