1. How much skin showing is too much skin? I ask this because some profiles say the right things but the women do not look the part according to what I think I know about modesty.
2. Does earning potential factor in to the clothes a woman will present her self in?
3. What do women expect their men to be dressed like in a setting such as CDFF? Should we wear a shirt and tie? A suit? Business casual or casual in the sense that we are going to the store or to the beach?
An interesting, more than serious set of questions indeed!
1- How much "skin" one exposes in their selfies or if taken by another party.....well you'd be surprised how a person see's themselves vs. what someone else see's! I've viewed numerous profiles here where......well let's just say, though the brother might have been looking in the mirror to take a pic, he evidently never actually looked at himself taking the pic or how it looked before he posted it(smile)lol!!
Unfortunately I get the impression that when some folks take pics in their bathrooms or bedrooms, what they're wearing should fit the room and atmosphere(smile)lol!!! For me personally, modesty in a man's attire will always trump not leaving me anything for the imagination....I'm just saying(smile)!
2- What salary a person makes, shouldn't determine their ability to exhibit relative taste when selecting a dress or suit from Walmart to Lord & Taylors!
3- And finally in my opinion, being that your pic here at CDFF is just that, a "pic", wearing a suit and tie to a warm up suit, doesn't matter if it accents the persons physique tastefully! If an opportunity affords itself and two people get a chance to meet and there's true chemistry between them, what their wearing if not outrages or unforgettable, will probably be the least of their concern(smile)lol!!!
I've read some of your work Madame, it is impressive indeed and thank you for responding to my questions.
Our minds are similar in the idea that clothing can be tastefully fitted to the physique to slightly accentuate what makes a woman a woman, or in your case a man a man.
I think the question now becomes what is taste and what does a sturdy and forthright lady have in her wardrobe compared to a woman that wants to write her own set of rules while making the claim of Christian?
This ideal seems to bring us back to an ad hominem tu quo que or what Yeshua spoke about as hypocrisy. Can a woman ask for a Christian man if she attires herself like Jezebel?
Thank you for the compliment my friend and I'd have to say that what I've read of yours, you command the written word quite well yourself(smile)!
But in response to your statement/question regarding whether it's hypocritical for a woman who calls herself a believer to expect to find a good man of God if she chooses to dress like a "Jezebel"......ummmmmm how can I put this without sounding bias......ok let me use myself as an example.
I've always dressed, I believe, modestly or conservatively just about my entire adult life. I'm realistic about my body type, so I dress accordingly. Now don't get me wrong, there's clothing out there I would love to wear but just because they're made in my size, doesn't mean that it's right or as you said earlier, "accentuates" my body type. Unfortunately I believe that's how a lot of women get duped into purchasing certain clothing that's really not right for them,"if it's made in my size, well......"! Up to now I've never been told or heard, at least from the opposite sex, I've dressed inappropriately.
Now I said all that to say this......when my sister's, whether believers or non-believers from any age group, ethnic, culture or social background, comes out into the street dressed as if on the way out of her home, she deliberately passed every mirror by......I as a women first and foremost, cringe!!! I'll always believe that we as women, should represent all women! But as children of God, we are being held to an even higher standard! It seems to still all boil down to personal preference and how a women interprets her own sexuality! I've grappled and had conversations with men and women thru the years regarding this subject and well, here we still are today.......
We can only continue to pray and hope that the understanding and will of God fills the hearts and minds of men and women, enabling us all to stand strong and be His witnesses, even in these troubling and uncertain times we now live in!
*As a side note......you'd be surprised how many men of God attract to women who dress seductively, if they were really honest about it(smile)!.....but that's a different topic for a different day!
Oh and I'm sorry......to try and answer your question specifically, "can a woman ask for a Christian man if she attires herself as a Jezebel?" In my humbled opinion because of how she may interpret "Jezebel" dressing in her minds eye as acceptable and fitting......yes!
The question really is, which I touched on at the end of my last post, speaking of course mainly to men of God......can the visual make up of a man resist the temptation to take advantage of the advancements of a "Jezebel" clad dressed women who may first need to just be accepted as she is and if lead by The Spirit, you ministering to her and even praying with her, without bias?
Just my opinion and what's on my heart!!!! Be blessed.
It is a fact that image has a consequence according to what image a person wishes to convey to the rest of their surroundings. An understood and reasoned person will realize human nature has no choice but to make a judgment on appearance even though the word expresses distaste for such human error.
The book of Samuel speaks on the very issue.
"Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."
Jezebel was not Jewish, she had no reason to follow the old testament therefore she was only being true to herself and her religion which is noted she had no intention of refraining from it's practice.
So the real question is can a man who calls himself a Christian support Jezebel for being anything but Jezebel? I might be of the mind that clothing tells a tale that is well documented LOL.
Okay I had to copy this:
The question really is, which I touched on at the end of my last post, speaking of course mainly to men of God......can the visual make up of a man resist the temptation to take advantage of the advancements of a "Jezebel" clad dressed women who may first need to just be accepted as she is and if lead by The Spirit, you ministering to her and even praying with her, without bias?
This is a common assumption with people... not just Christians... One bad apple. Your first order of business is your salvation and in order to obtain that your mate or partner must be of the same mindset. Together when that bond is made, you as a team and with your soldiers, can minister. United we stand, divided we fall.
Remember the piece on separated people? In a strong unseparated and loving group a heart can be changed. One to one is gambling...
By the way, I am enjoying your point of view and the woman's perspective you are furnishing.
Ahhh, my friend your point well taken! As a Godly team(husband and wife), the protection and effectiveness of the witness is more profound! I agree wholeheartedly, but what if the encounter happens while your status is single?
Will the opportunity to minister to this individual be curbed because of the power of temptation? Because if so, I completely understand(smile)! As I write this, I'm listening to a sermon by Bayless Conley about this same subject...avoiding temptation at all cost! Now would you agree there are no coincidences in this life(smile)!? Only the presence of God!
Thank you my brother for your mindful way of expressing, at least one point of view, a man of God's prospective of his journey in Christ! God's best.
The man and the wife are only part of the team, they represent honor, fidelity, love and submission. Let me qualify love and submission quickly and logically.
If the man loves his wife then she will submit.
If the man does not love his wife she will not submit.
These are called conditional statements. The contract of marriage is null and void if either party fails to live up to their obligation and the offended party chooses to break the contract.
This is paramount to the team because it provides strength. One bad apple will spoil the other weak apples and we have seen this time and time again in several books in the old testament and new testament. The team, when operating under the law cannot be beaten down. As mankind can be weak the team is structured in a way so as to stay firm in the application of the law.
Yeshua did not minister alone did he? Do we know of the failures of people who have ministered alone? Is there a risk factor when ministering alone especially with the opposite sex? If one is free of all these things then one can minister in any place to anyone at anytime. The only one I know with that innate freedom was Yeshua.
Mark 7:20-23
And he said, �What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.�
I will ask you if you can make a case for someone to minister on a one on one basis.
Well let me, my friend start with your question: Yeshua didn't minister alone did he?
John 4:7-8.....There cometh a women of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink. (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat)
Assuming that Christ and the Samarian women were at the well alone, He ministered to her one on one. Which of course lends truth to your claim of Christ being the only one who could and would be able to withstand the temptation to do so.....seeing the possibility that she must have been stunning with 5 husbands under her belt, working at that time on #6(smile)!
As for submitting examples of others who were solo in their ministering......though Steven was amongst the seven appointed to assist the disciples in their daily mundane duties (Acts 6:1-7), he was sited as full of faith and power, and did great wonders and miracles among the people(Acts 6:8). Stephen seemed to have ministered greatly on his own, being eventually singled out by the elders and scribes! His demise were all familiar with as the first martyr for Christ!
To me it seems that if you are not called, anointed and appointed to do anything for the kingdom, whether single or married, from ministering to evangelizing, you will not truly be successful! I will always believe that The Lord will use whomever to do whatever He pleases in this earth, ultimately to His honor and glory! Just something I've personally witnessed along my journey in Him!
Ah but the well was in public and therefore they were not alone. A good effort though and you cited your source for your point of view. Can't ask for any better than that.
If one has a calling, then one sticks to the rules always so as to not create inequity, however, there is Job...
His wife said to him, �Are you still maintaining your integrity? Curse God and die!� It can be done if the will is iron. That statement gives credence to your claim...
For me, I will argue both sides of many points of view... Many times the minister has to show both sides to make it clear to the person what their limitations are. It might come down to something like this: Have you ever cursed God, stolen. lied, cheated or committed adultery? The Job test, as it were.
Now the question shifts to asking has one passed the Job test up to this point? What if they past the Job test, is there something else we must examine or give ear to in advising those who would attempt minister in places where the temptation is high?
My brother I will have to differ with you just a little here by saying that though the well was a public facility, it was only Christ who was ministering to the Samarian women! If anything, those who were there were probably just spectators. Remember His disciples had left Him for a short time.
But not to split hairs, your reference to the "Job test" was quite interesting and in terms of what advice we could give to someone whose being led to minister......minister by the power of The Holy Spirit only! If your personal relationship with The Lord is solid, He will guide and direct you as to who and when to minister to!
