Author	Thread: why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage.
benexcel View Profile History	why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage. Posted : 10 Oct, 2013 11:52 AM Why is it that ladies are not submissive to their husband. and is it right for a christian lady to seek for a divorce. Post Reply
View Profile History	why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage. Posted : 10 Oct, 2013 01:16 PM They are rebellious and there is no fear of God before their eyes. That's the bottom line. Post Reply
ChristianArtsy View Profile History	why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage. Posted : 10 Oct, 2013 01:36 PM From my heart, guys, and completely honest here.. I understand that most people here are at some level of frustration, I mean ppl just don't wake up and say " oh la la la what a beautiful day, and I'm sure God is leading me to my spouse, I will walk in Joy and faith, and hey maybe I'll try internet dating" ok. When ppl are frustrated they tend to generalize where they find fault. I suggest you take a step back and think a bit more spiritually. The women you speak of, considering where you are are; are Christian women, your sisters, God's daughters. Now, are WE ALL not submissive, ARE WE All to blame for where you are right now? I could be wrong, but brother I really don't think where you are had anything to do with me. It would be in your best interest (IMO) both spiritually as well as your meeting anyone of value on this site to make a point of saying you don't believe every woman fits your criticism. That would be like me saying, why don't all men understand truly what leadership is........... If you were leading by example, you fell with this post. But I'm not going to say all brothers are terrible leaders... Post Reply
ChristianArtsy View Profile History	why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage. Posted : 10 Oct, 2013 01:45 PM ... additionally, women submit to mean who submit the Christ, that would be the place to start, don't you think? Nope, a man submitted to God respects his sisters..don't see that here. Has your heart been broken, are you bitter, have you not forgiven.. Post Reply
View Profile History	why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage. Posted : 10 Oct, 2013 01:58 PM CA - Respectfully, it's a simple question w/ a simple answer. Why don't women submit to their husbands? Because they are rebellious. Why are they rebellious? Because there is no fear of God. Ask it another way...... Why don't children obey their parents? Because they are rebellious. That's the bottom line. There is no bitterness or malice or anything else in my answer. I am just cutting through all the mess and getting to the heart of the matter. Post Reply
View Profile History	why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage. Posted : 10 Oct, 2013 02:08 PM CA - Additionally, not all women are included here. Are they? There are some women who submit to their husbands. They would be logically excluded, right? So again, this question is why is it that some women don't submit to their husbands? You said: "additionally, women submit to men who submit the Christ, that would be the place to start, don't you think?" Where is the Scripture for this? There is no contingency in these verses. Women are to submit whether or not the men are doing their part. That is their duty. Eph 5:22 KJB:PCE Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Col 3:18 [KJB:PCE Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. Post Reply
View Profile History	why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage. Posted : 10 Oct, 2013 02:24 PM Let me deal with the other side of this too so that we have some balance here. Why don't men love their wives as they are commanded to do? Because they are rebellious. Why are they rebellious? Because there is no fear of God before their eyes. Additionally, a man has a duty. It is not contingent upon whether or not a woman is properly fulfilling her duty. The man/husband is to obey the Word. Period. Eph 5:25 KJB:PCE Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Col 3:19 KJB:PCE Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them. Post Reply
ChristianArtsy View Profile History	why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage. Posted : 10 Oct, 2013 04:38 PM Iwalk; The post reads, "Why is it that ladies are not submissive to their husband. and is it right for a christian lady to seek for a divorce" I am aware of the scriptures, and I am aware that you are not going to find many women who submit to a man who doesn't lead, a man who not the submitted to God, or a man who doesn't understand his (as you put it) duties as a husband. I'm not placing blame, I think we learn to not do that from Adam's (leader) answer when God busted him and his wife in the Garden of Eden. Post Reply
View Profile History	why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage. Posted : 10 Oct, 2013 06:09 PM Christian Artsy, I believe he is saying that there are no conditions under which we must obey the Lord. Abraham was prepared to kill Isaac (his beloved son) because he was going to obey the Lord. The Lord is our highest authority. We have to submit to and respect our husbands regardless of how we feel about them at the given moment. Unless your husband tells you to do something that is wrong, you know you first submit to the Lord. "As unto the Lord. " when you do these things, remember you are doing them first and foremost for the Lord, and he is more than worthy of it. As this man said also, husbands are commanded to love their wives regardless of how they feel about them at the time. How much more important and difficult a command must that be, to love someone, not remain bitter toward them and give yourself for them as Christ gave himself for the church. That almost seems harder to do, doesn't it? Post Reply
View Profile History	why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage. Posted : 10 Oct, 2013 06:25 PM Bingo Blue Eyes! You give meaning to the verse, "Whoso findeth a wife findeth a GOOD thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD ." :winksmile: Post Reply
View Profile History	why is divorce so rampant and also a last resort to a failed marriage. Posted : 10 Oct, 2013 06:40 PM Every time I get involved in a conversation about this topic I have to ask what your definition of submission is. How would you define it? The truth is that the Bible says that wives are to submit to their husbands because the husbands are the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church. The head we have on our bodies is the means by which we determine direction through the senses of vision, hearing, and sometimes smell and taste. The body submits to the head and goes where the head decides to go, etc. But the Bible also says that husbands are to love their wives. This is so there is balance. In Greek, this is agapao love and is love in a moral or social sense. (The word is rooted in the Greek word for much.) It is the love of very dear friends or family for whom we have much affection. I believe this implies that there is a great deal of respect involved in this love too. In any case, as IWA has pointed out, the root cause is rebellion. Men who take advantage of the "submission rule" are just as guilty of being rebellious. It is the lack of belief that anyone will be held accountable for there actions before God. It is foolishness. Psalm 14:1, The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. (KJV) Post Reply

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