Author	Thread: The Genesis Consequence
Admin	The Genesis Consequence Posted : 30 May, 2011 05:28 PM Genesis 3:16 is a commonly misunderstood verse, it is translated correctly, however the meaning is lost in light of modern meanings of words and phrases. Gen 3:16 ~ "To the woman he (God) said: ......Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." This phrase seems pretty straight forward doesnt it? Let's go a mere 12 verses forward and read how the same wording is used: Genesis 4:7 (caps mine) ~ "The LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. ITS DESIRE IS FOR YOU, but you must rule over it." Sooo...what do you think, does this verse help you to see Gen 3:16 any differently? Post Reply
View Profile History	The Genesis Consequence Posted : 30 May, 2011 06:40 PM No, it doesn't make me see it any differently than I have before. I'm not sure what you're getting at? What I've always understood it to mean is that women will desire to "master" their husbands. In other words, they'll balk at the idea of submission and of the man being the leader of the home. This curse is what feminism stems from. The natural order of things is beautiful and easy. It's how we were created to interact within marriage! But the curse makes that difficult for us. The guy has difficulty providing (cultivating the land) and the woman has difficulty being the helper. Essentially, the curse is that each will struggle in his or her role... not only in the sense that it is made more difficult, but that they'll also struggle with contentment there. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Genesis Consequence Posted : 30 May, 2011 06:44 PM One more thing: What's really interesting here is that the curse is very appropriate to the crime... on a few different levels... 1. Eve's temptation came from not being content with how God created her (with limited knowledge). 2. Adam's temptation came from him backing down from his role as the head of the marriage. And there's more! But I need to get back to my homework! Post Reply
View Profile History	The Genesis Consequence Posted : 30 May, 2011 06:58 PM Pixy, as usual you are ahead of the curve. :bow: Post Reply
View Profile History	The Genesis Consequence Posted : 30 May, 2011 07:12 PM Doesn`t Ephesians 5 22-25 explain the role of husband and wife more clearly? As new testament believers are we not redeemed from the curse of the law? We shouldn`t have strife between husband and wife.Our marriages should be days of heaven on earth. I know i opened up a can of worms. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Genesis Consequence Posted : 30 May, 2011 07:39 PM Victory I think we are redeemed from the curse of the Law in roughly the same ratio we die to ourselves, of course this eventually takes care of itself when we reach 100%, if you know what I mean!....:laugh: Post Reply
View Profile History	The Genesis Consequence Posted : 30 May, 2011 09:36 PM There's absolutely no connection between one verse and the other, and you'd kind of have to stretch it to make it say what you're saying it says. Do you understand that? "Your desire shall be to your husband and he shall rule over you." Means literally what it says. The Lord isn't talking to us in riddles. The woman desiring her husband means that she longs for him. The man is to rule over her (meaning he is to be in charge of her). That's literally all it says. How can you draw these conclusions from this? I believe there is feminism and that it's sinful, but how are you getting it from Genesis? Explain to me, slowly, please? Seriously, I have no idea where this idea comes from except that one silly mistranslation in the NLT. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Genesis Consequence Posted : 30 May, 2011 09:44 PM Twosparrows isn't linking the verses together; he's explaining the language. Because translation from Hebrew (or Greek) into English isn't exact, it can be difficult to know know precisely what something means. By looking at other uses of the word in question, we're able to gain context; through that context, we can understand the meaning of the word better. Additionally, it should be remembered that this is a curse. The interpretation that you stated, MsMarvel, doesn't seem like a curse (in my opinion). Why don't I think it seems like a curse? Because that was God's design in the first place. God created women to desire the husbands and He created me to be the head over their wives. That's the natural order of things, not the curse. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Genesis Consequence Posted : 30 May, 2011 09:45 PM He created MEN to be the head over their wives, not ME... LOL Funny type =) Post Reply
View Profile History	The Genesis Consequence Posted : 30 May, 2011 10:07 PM A) We don't know God meant Adam and Eve or husbands and wives to be like in the beginning, it doesn't say what they were like before the fall. B) That's not the extent of the curse. The Lord continues on and states the rest of the curse. C) Even if you don't think it's a curse, or qualifies as part of a curse, how is feminism THE curse spoken of in Genesis? Why do you think that particular sinful way of thinking is the curse? I'm asking you why you think it is. "Your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you." Desire: to long or hope for : exhibit or feel desire for, to feel the loss of, to run after. Rule: To have dominion over. To me it sounds like a curse because the woman longs to be close to her husband, and notice it doesn't say the husband desires his wife, it says he will RULE over her. It sounds like her feelings and desires will be to her husband, but he will not return her feelings. He will instead rule over her. Post Reply
View Profile History	The Genesis Consequence Posted : 30 May, 2011 10:10 PM You should look up the word desire, and see the context of the word rule in this verse. It sounds like the woman will long for her husband. If you long after something, it can also mean it is absent, aloof and far from you. Think about the love between a woman and a man. Post Reply

First

Page : 1 2 3

Next  10 >>

Last