Author	Thread: Submission in the proper context
Jeremiah21 View Profile History	Submission in the proper context Posted : 23 Oct, 2010 07:59 AM When you think of submission what comes to your mind? If your husband asked you to engage in behavior such as viewing pornography, or visiting men's clubs what would your reaction be? Post Reply
rainbowian View Profile History	Submission in the proper context Posted : 23 Oct, 2010 09:32 PM He let himself go? Post Reply
Tulip89 View Profile History	Submission in the proper context Posted : 23 Oct, 2010 09:55 PM He thinks saying "I love you," and flipping off the lights should be enough to get her in the mood? Post Reply
cowgirl1984 View Profile History	Submission in the proper context Posted : 23 Oct, 2010 11:31 PM Since when do women not like sex??? I'm confused. What are we even talking about? Brief note: In my opinion, most (but not all) of the time, when a man cheats it's because his physical needs are not being met and when a woman cheats it's because her emotional needs are not being met. However, I have also seen cases of the opposite being true. Both men and women have both emotional and physical needs, it's just the degree to which is needed tends to vary by gender. Anyway, both genders are equally prone to cheating in this fallen world. Okay, moving on to the question at hand... Submission doesn't mean blindly doing whatever the man says. We are submit to the man being the head of the household, but he is to submit to God. If he's not submitting to God, then not everything he says will be right. If what he's asking you to do is sin, then you are NOT to submit to him as we are supposed to submit to God first and foremost. But even if the husband is not submitting his life to God, he is your husband, and as long as he is not asking you to sin, then you are to follow his lead. If he is asking you to sin, then you don't. As far as what submission means and how society has turned it into a bad thing... This is not a new concept. See the verse below. Genesis 3:16 (NLT) 16 Then he said to the woman, �I will sharpen the pain of your pregnancy, and in pain you will give birth. And you will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you.� Post Reply
View Profile History	Submission in the proper context Posted : 24 Oct, 2010 06:17 AM Submission is mutual. We are to submit one to another in the fear of God .. as the Bible says. However, with a definite order of submission in terms of men having headship in a relationship with women, that doesn't mean (as is too often interpreted by Neanderthal men) that a woman just blindly follows a man's lead into whatever. A woman follows a man "AS IT IS FITTING IN THE LORD" .. and if he violates Scriptural ethics and morals by his bad example, she's certainly MOST free to totally refuse his demands. The kind of sexual deviancy this man would show indicates to me a man gripped with serious bondage to perversion and someone who needs pastoral counseling, backed up, if necessary by professional therapists who don't coddle toleration for that junk. A man in a marriage should only want to see and desire one woman naked in his life .. and it goes without saying who that is and that he will treasure that gift, while resolutely resisting temptation for anything else. I'm going to have to post as a streaming file an AWESOME sermon on Biblical marriage that a pastor friend of mine in Chicago preached on. His sermon was almost 90 minutes long and I watched from the platform as he kept working on it almost up to the point of when he began to deliver it. The worship was awesome and he worshipped .. and wrote. But when he got to the pulpit, you heard a word from God. And his send up on Biblical submission in a marriage is simply the best I have EVER heard ANYWHERE. I'll work on this link today and it will be in Real Audio and post it here later. IF you don't have a media player that can handle Real streaming media, get one free from Real.com. You will all LOVE this sermon. I'm so thankful to be soon be going to a church there where Jesus is exalted, the people are disciples who love and care for all and the pastor is a true man of God. So rare are these places! Post Reply
Tulip89 View Profile History	Submission in the proper context Posted : 24 Oct, 2010 11:44 AM No one was saying that women don't like sex (unless I missed a post). I've just observed a general attitude in the Church that that is the case. Also, physical and emotional needs aren't exactly separate. When a wife turns down a man's advances, he is going to go unfulfilled physically, but she's also telegraphing that she doesn't want HIM, that there's something wrong with HIM. That's going to take a much bigger toll on him than just not having sex. Post Reply
Jeremiah21 View Profile History	Submission in the proper context Posted : 14 Nov, 2010 08:26 AM Cowgirl: Well said! You basically summed up the entire conversation thank you! Post Reply
View Profile History	Submission in the proper context Posted : 23 Aug, 2011 08:55 PM As a christian I could never imagining doing that as a husband. Lust is sin period and sin, especially lust in a marriage, needs to be addressed. If it's not...it grows. The only way to deal with such an issue is to not let that seed grow and to dig it up at the roots. If he is unwilling to assist with the digging, you have a real problem. Post Reply

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