Author	Thread: Are you willing to obey these commands?
rhtydv View Profile History	Are you willing to obey these commands? Posted : 5 Mar, 2012 02:48 PM Are you willing to obey these commands for any man: Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Post Reply
View Profile History	Are you willing to obey these commands? Posted : 11 Mar, 2012 05:37 PM Loving your wife as Christ loved the church is not the biblical definition of submission. As far as verse 21, I've posted a couple of videos explaining why it is NOT saying for husbands to submit to wives. Furthermore, that's like asking Christ to submit to the church. Post Reply
View Profile History	Are you willing to obey these commands? Posted : 12 Mar, 2012 02:40 PM Sorry I've been trying to wrap my mind around people saying we should be more like al qaida/middle east/africa and put women in their place. So according to you what is the biblical definition of submission? Also "For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many." The way I understand it, we submit to and serve one another each other in different ways. Post Reply
View Profile History	Are you willing to obey these commands? Posted : 12 Mar, 2012 03:30 PM I'm not sure there is any place for this type of straw man in a Christian forum. 'hypotasso' is to submit or be subject to and is always used in reference to submitting to an authority. There are numerous examples of this in scripture and it's always one side submitting to the other, not mutual submission.(Romans 13:1-5, being one example for you) If you had watched the videos it would have been explained to you. Eph. 5:21 - Submitting to One Another How? Eph. 5:22-24 - Wives to Husbands Eph. 6:1-4 - Children to Parents Eph. 6:5-9 - Slaves to Masters The context does not allow for mutual submission. Furthermore, every other time we see the command in scripture for wives to submit to husbands then is never any mention of mutual submission. The most important thing here is to be truthful to the text, not having to apologize to atheists of other Christians for what's in scripture.(1 Peter 3:1-6 is an example of submission in marriage defined for you) Post Reply
View Profile History	Are you willing to obey these commands? Posted : 12 Mar, 2012 03:40 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYVRWEm3tug Post Reply
View Profile History	Are you willing to obey these commands? Posted : 13 Mar, 2012 02:21 PM eh, fine you win. Works out in my favor anyway so why fight it. Post Reply
View Profile History	Are you willing to obey these commands? Posted : 14 Mar, 2012 01:23 AM I think alot of women have been 'burned' by pushy men. Possibly men have been hurt too. The only stereotype I'd dare make is that people have been very hurt by those who seek to twist the scriptures for their gain. There are lots of cases in the Bible where women have acted out of line, out of place, or out of the norm, doing things that would be seen as unseemly, or just downright weird--but strangely, the Bible recounts their doings and almost justifies their acts. Take Judges 4:21 with Jael, Heber's wife for an example. Did she submit to Barak? nope. Her husband probably thought her plot was nonsensical as well, she may not have even told him of her idea. I'm not condoning Jael's behavior at all, in fact, I think that's one crazy story. But I'm saying, don't latch onto one verse and cling to that for dear life. You have to look at context, time place, situations, current events related to when that scripture was spoken, etc. All in all, when it comes to submission, I like to think of Jesus. I can't think of one reason why I would not want to submit to Jesus, as stubborn as I am, because marriage is about love, and Jesus has the kind of love that makes you wanna submit. Post Reply
View Profile History	Are you willing to obey these commands? Posted : 19 Mar, 2012 12:10 AM I'm going to throw this question back to all the guys- seems like we're always talking about what women should do, and not what men should do. Are you men willing to obey these commands? Epesians 5:25-33 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church� 30 for we are members of his body. 31 �For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.� 32 This is a profound mystery�but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband. Think about what "love" and "submit" really mean. If you love a woman like your own flesh, how will you treat her? Hopefully not by forcing her to "submit" to your "authority," but by becoming like-minded and partnership-oriented. Love is unconditional, respect is earned. Post Reply
rhtydv View Profile History	Are you willing to obey these commands? Posted : 19 Mar, 2012 03:19 PM As far as Ephesians 5:25-33, yes if I be married, may the Lord God Jesus Christ give me grace to faithfully represent him as listed in Eph 5:25-33. As far as the second part: Does Ephesians 5:22 say: Wives submit to your husbands as unto the Lord, when they meet your criteria for being Christ-like. Notes about head and body: (because a husband and wife is supposed to function as a head and body): When the body obeys the head's command, we have a properly functioning body. When the body starting doing its own thing regardless of what the head commands, it is called a sickness, like a seizure. Even if a person has brain-cancer, it is still best for that person if their body obeys the head. Your brother in Christ, Rohit. Post Reply
View Profile History	Are you willing to obey these commands? Posted : 26 May, 2012 08:20 AM This is correct. To correctly interpret these passages, you must consider the example Christ gave: He relates the man should "love his wife as himself, even as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her." If the man loves his wife as Jesus did, there will be no problems with submission, ad Jesus would never do anything to harm his bride. He gave his life for her. By freely giving this love, the natural response is for the wife to reach back to that love. This is also evidenced by the relationship God the Father has with the Son. The attraction is so great, they are one, but two. Also remember, there is no fear in love. "Perfect love casteth our fear". If I know you love me above all else, I will not be afraid you are going to do something to harm me. Both husband and wife should submit to God and to each other: �� submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church� [Eph5:21-29] Post Reply

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